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Friday, November 30, 2012

So naive

On Monday I thought that things were so happy in Troy.
I mean, sure the wicked man behind the curtain -- Troy's political boss Bob Gosselin -- was doing his best to drag our city into court to try to guarantee he gets who he wants on council and for mayor -- but I was thrilled that Doug Tietz and Dave Henderson acted like gentlemen at the meeting.
But now I wonder at my own naivete.
Now it seems to me like they acted so sympathetic to Mayor Slater because they knew exactly what the county and state had in store for our fair city. That's because they get the memos from Bob Gosselin. And the fix is in.
The people of Troy are Bob Gosselin's little political playground. We are all just his bit players. We didn't know what was going to happen.
Doug Tietz knew that even though the county clerk's office apparently agreed with our city attorney's interpretation of state guidelines on the replacement of a recalled mayor (the state says that mayoral seats vacated for every conceivable reason may be replaced in November, but they forgot to mention the case of a recall, so now they claim that's COMPLETELY DIFFERENT!), the county was going to make an end run around out city attorney and beg the state to order us to have an election in February, at great cost to us.
Why would Tietz know that? Because he works for the county clerk -- Bill Bullard, who is a friend of Bob Gosselin and was recently voted OUT of office. Neither Tietz nor Bullard have anything to lose, I guess.
But there was a glimmer of sanity in my reaction to the council meeting. It occurred to me that Tietz and Henderson and maybe Fleming knew something the rest of council, and the rest of Troy, didn't. Maureen McGinnis mentioned that during the meeting as well.
My question is, if the county and state and Doug Tietz knew this would be the result of the recall, mightn't they have shared that information with the people of Troy before the election?
Or did they want Janice Daniels gone, too?

27 comments:

  1. The question of the day should be.....how the Sec of State's office was made aware of this in the first place. Ruth Johnson and Bob Gosselin are good buddies so there is your first clue....I spoke today to Richard Bandstra from the Attorney General's office and asked him how this came to the attention of the Secretary of State in the first place and he said someone from the City of Troy made them aware. I asked him if nobody had contacted the Sec of State would any of this happened and he said "probably not"...Now the state law is so very important that it would have not been even a blip on the radar of Sec of State if Gosselin et al had not initiated a contact.

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  2. It's flat out wrong that Doug Tietz is speaking to the media AGAINST our City Attorney. Perhaps, since Bullard was voted out, he is looking for a job? He certainly isn't representing Troy's best interests. Unfortunately, reporters fail to connect such dots. As do voters. In the end, we taxpayers will pay for legal fees that would not have been incurred if Gosselin/Clark and team weren't playing politics, possibly a $50,000 special election and Dougie's government salary when one of his cronies pays him back for his partisan efforts by giving him a job in Lansing.

    Isn't Troy just so darn lucky to have Gosselin and his team in its midst!?

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  3. Of course TCU and their allies wanted Janice Daniels gone - she put the worst possible face on their movement, and did so loudly and as frequently as possible. They'd much rather accomplish their agenda without fanfare, so quietly that nobody notices what they're about to do until it's too late. This is also a trick being pulled elsewhere at the state level with the current EAA legislation, so it's unsurprising the same is happening on the local level.

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  4. This is such a dirty, mucky mess created by dirty, mucky people. And for what? To grasp as dirty, mucky meddling in the city's business. Even my cat knows not to leave bathroom excrement in her living quarters. Pathetic.

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  5. Something stinks about this whole thing. Wrote the following to the AG and cc'ed Gov:

    "Dear Honorable Attorney General Schuette:

    Today I heard about your office's decision to sue the City of Troy over having an election in Februrary rather than November to replace the vacated Mayor's seat.

    Yesterday I sent you an email asking for the State to stay out of a City of Troy matter and stating my reasons why so I will not repeat them here.

    However I would like to add information that is being talked about in social media that raises questions about the integrity of the Secretary of State's office and your office regarding this matter.

    The first public news of the SoS's dispute came from the posting on a Troy Tea Party facebook page of Director of Elections Christopher Thomas's letter to our city attorney. When the group moderator was asked who he got the letter from, he coyly would not divulge his source.

    Secondly, last Monday, two well-known Tea Party members came to our city clerk's office to file applications for the as-yet unannouced and unscheduled February election for Mayor. When our city clerk would not accept their applications, they called someone in your office for guidance, and also made reference to past calls to Ruth Johnson. They video-taped the episode and posted it on YouTube.

    The above occurences give the appearance of the State not pursuing this mainly on the basis of the law, but rather colluding with a special interest group. Since this special interest group was opposed to the Mayor recall, this additionally casts aspersions on their motivation and whoever in State government is working with them.

    I hope you will consider these factors in your final decision as to whether to sue our city."

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  6. Wary and Weary in TroyNovember 30, 2012 at 3:31 PM

    A letter writing campaign needs to happen right now. Write to the Governor, the AG and the SOS, as well as letters to the editor of every paper. Everyone that is sick of how this situation is being handled by the state should write and email. Bombard them. Let them know that a handful of people do not speak for the rest of us.
    Surely the state has more important issues in the city of Detroit or dealing with bigger issues for the entire state of Michigan, than this ridiculous threat of suit. I can only imagine that the people that live outside of southeastern Michigan (and some that live in) watching our state waste it's time and resources on suing Troy are scratching their heads or just angry. Good grief.
    I hope Ms. Bluhm stands her ground all the way. At this point it is crystal clear that the state AG's office is 100% partisan and will not be a neutral party on this topic. If this needs to go to the courts (who we hope are not partisan) then so be it. Apparently the Attorney General does not view justice as blind, but with partisan blinders.
    As far as who knew what and when. It is now pretty obvious that Fleming, Tietz and Henderson knew, as well as a bunch of folks at the podium. Heck, let's take this one step further. The City Clerk and Atty said that Oakland County told them that they were following the correct procedures. Is it possible Bullard's office purposely mislead our Clerk and Atty? Honestly, we need a good investigative journalist to look into this. There is something very wrong in Denmark.

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    1. Yes, a good investigative journalist is needed. Last night on one news station, the reporter made it sound like Troy was acting "silly" according to the State of MIchigan attorney. The report was totally biased and did not report the correct facts at all.

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    2. so how's that feel, Trojans? you followed the law to recall Mayor Daniels, now you have to follow the law to replace the Mayor. BTW, hope you enjoy your new bus station and the riff raff it will bring into your lovely town

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  7. The next step in this game playing (because that is unfortunately what the parties opposed to our city attorney are doing) is what court does this go to?, and who the judge will be? Will it go to a Tea Party supported judge like Zahra or O'Brien, who have political debts to pay?

    I know one thing for sure, Ruth Johnson and Bill Schuette can kiss my vote goodbye as far as any ambition they may have beyond their current offices. That goes for anyone on their staff as well. Disgusting.

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  8. Wary and Weary in TroyNovember 30, 2012 at 6:21 PM

    Just read the letter from Atty Bluhm to AG. How incredibly disingenuous that the AG would give her until Friday at 1pm to respond and yet went ahead and filed suit the day before she responded.
    I heard on the radio that they are naming the city and 2 CC members and the clerk in the suit. I hope that is not true and would like to know on what grounds. Also, that just casts more suspicion on Henderson who said in the Council meeting that he didn't want to be personally named in a lawsuit. He made a big deal out of it. At the time I wondered what he was talking about and why. Apparently, he must have been told prior to the meeting that was a possible outcome. He absolutely knew what was happening behind the scenes when the vote was cast. He can feign he doesn't but that is not going to play when this all comes out.

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    1. You can tell there is a plan afoot. Even Councilwoman McGinnis wondered aloud about it. Tietz, Fleming and Henderson are in it. Henderson blinked. They look like idiots.

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    2. Henderson didn't blink, Henderson has seen lawsuits brought against his peers in the business world over a decades long career. Henderson knows how to avoid them. These potential lawsuits were telegraphed to the city well before we ever met to decide who the new Mayor would be. Our current situation was inevitable... I'm a little surprised at the surprise by certain groups. "eh, we'll just recall the Mayor, no one will be ticked". If this isn't settled once and for all in court, we can all expect ripples of lawsuits for months... from both sides. I'm all for tearing off the band-aid, and moving along.

      Dave

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  9. Schutte's a political hack who would be chasing ambulances if he didnt have petty fights to pick from Lansing. All of this has probably made his day. And Gosselin and the "Me Party" are having the time of their lives. If their new bff Fleming had become the new mayor, I'd wager all my money that this would not have happened.

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  10. I feel like I'm in one of those horror movies where you discover the corruption goes all the way to the top. It looks like the AG's office was in on Kempen and Brake's stunt at the city clerk's office; it is specifically cited as grounds for the State's suit. Don't bother writing any letters to the SoS or the AG they're in on the behind-the-scenes machinations.

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  11. It is a horror movie. Chris Thomas LIED to the Troy Times reporter, saying he learned of our situation "in a newspaper article." So the spokesperson from the SoS can lie with no consequences? 1984 we have arrived.

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    1. Heh, he wasn't reading the papers before all through September and October when the plan for filling a vacancy was widely publicized? Give me a break, the "Director of Elections" was not aware of the possiblity of this rare event (a successful recall) in elections, and did not know of Troy's plan before the election? But suddenly he starts readig the newpapers, and perusing the State Constitution AFTER the election. Uh,huh.

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  12. Wary and Weary in TroyDecember 1, 2012 at 4:27 PM

    Not unlike Wade Fleming LIED at the City Council meeting when he said he saw on the Channel 7 news right before he came to the meeting that the state was going to sue Troy. Cheryl Chodin of Channel 7 was there and said that they never reported that. People online on the Patch quickly pulled up the Channel 7 news and surprise, NO story there. Wade Fleming LIED on camera, in the council meeting to his fellow council members, city staff and the public.

    Perhaps Wade needs to dig a little deeper into his Bible and review Proverbs 6:16-19--
    These six things the Lord hates,
    Yes, seven are an abomination to Him:
    A proud look,
    A lying tongue,
    Hands that shed innocent blood,
    A heart that devises wicked plans,
    Feet that are swift in running to evil,
    A false witness who speaks lies,
    And one who sows discord among brethren.

    Only the third one doesn't fit. But he certainly has managed to accomplish all the rest in his political tenure. He needs to seriously consider who he is in cahoots with: Gosselin, Clark, Brake, and the TCU crowd. I wonder how he lays his head on the pillow at night and reconciles that he is a good Christian. I guess he lies just as skillfully to himself. He better know that he can fool some of the people some of the time, but the Big Kahuna, not so much. It's called reckoning, and he better be ready.

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  13. For the state to come out and tell us when to hold an election seems totally predjuiced and partisan. This is the reason Troy has a city charter allowing them the right to decided when to hold their elections in the case of a recall. The state, a partison entity, should not interfere with our political process, which should be a nonpartisan process. I only hope a judge sees the reasoning behind this.

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  14. You raise a valid question: it is possible that Tietz and maybe even Fleming knew this game would be played. Especially Tietz. He really held his cards on the Recall close to his vest.

    This whole thing stinks to high Heaven. Tietz, Gosselin and Clark have a record for election work and are every experienced at twisting and turning according to the political winds to be in control.

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  15. http://www.mlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/09/tim_skubick_attorney_general_b.html

    Also read the withering comments on Bill Schuette after the above article. Yes, I was naive, I had no idea that he was a grand-standing ass, so eager for future Tea Party votes that he would pow-wow with Michael Ross et al and do their bidding at state tax payer expense, no less. The lawsuit makes for grand headlines all right...Schuette stands up for Voter Rights, and is there whenever Injustice Strikes! Heck, none of us in Troy knew our rights were being violated. And that includes those that voted against the recall, that is until Wade didn't get to be mayor.


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  16. Here's another tax dollars wasting suit courteous Bill and Ruth:

    http://www.whitelakebeacon.com/news/28707-state-sues-montague-for-just-one-late-ballot

    The irony is the one ballot had already been returned by the absentee voter at the time this suit was filed. Bet Montague LOVES them! Wouldn't a note to the city clerk from Ruth saying next time don't be 4 days late be a better alternative than suing after the fact? These guys have no sense of proportion in terms of benefit vs cost to the tax payer. As well as the cost in loss of faith in State govermnment's common sense, I don't know which is worse.

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  17. Wary and Weary in TroyDecember 3, 2012 at 9:21 AM

    There is a whole lot of personal resume building going on now. Tietz gets in the paper today and tonight. But then, he was always working this for a longer term guberment paycheck. Right small government guys? Funny how they all want what they don't want anyone else to have. I want Howyrlak's first bill in the State House to be doing away with any pensions for state legislators. Effective his year of being elected.

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  18. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/25/1136272/-Politics-Come-First-for-Ruth-Johnson-and-Bill-Schuette

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    1. Great article, thanks for the post.

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  19. What I do not understand is, doesn't the Oakland county clerk assume some culpability in this? Didn't he advise the city of Troy about the recall and election process? It seems the advice given was that an election could be held in November and this was at the approval of the Oakland county clerk.

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    1. Yeah, their role seems dirty and back-stabbing. They (Bill Bullard and his team) went along with it throughout Sept and Oct as presented by our city clerk, and as documented in the media. Now you don't hear a peep from them except for the officious letter signed by Bill Bullarad saying to hold an election but cannily not specifying the date, playing both sides of the coin, waiting to see how it turns out, I guess. I'm glad he's out of office come January, and 2014 can't come soon enough for getting Johnson and Schuette out.

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  20. Wary and Weary in TroyDecember 3, 2012 at 3:05 PM

    That would be Bill Bullard. Yes, why isn't HE being named in this suit? Maybe Tietz could answer that. Did he give erroneous information on purpose?

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