Saturday, October 20, 2012

What IS personal? Howrylak has no idea

Oh my.
I've taken a lot of hits over my post from this week. I admitted I went too far, but you know what? Some people really don't get it. They don't get why some of us truly detest Martin Howrylak and his friend Janice Daniels and their mentor of political evil, Bob Gosselin.
Somehow you fans of Howrylak think that talking about people's life stories is personal, yet that when politicians cheat and play games with people's lives and city services, well, that's just POLitics.

Right.

So gather 'round, children. Listen to some stories about what "personal" means.

Personal is when Janice Daniels the citizen encouraged the people of Troy to fire as many city workers as possible. I remember her saying at a city council meeting, 'Why do we need all these expensive people like lawyers and library directors? Why can't we just hire normal people?' Howrylak and Daniels have shown their disdain for real people for YEARS. Their lies and political game playing have caused people financial harm, emotional distress and lost city services.

That's personal, folks.

As a matter-of-fact, the terrible 2008 tax cap brought to us by Howrylak, et al, lead to the laying off of dozens of Troy citizens. I mean, I know that Howrylak, whose current heart's desire is to get elected so he can live off taxpayers' money, despises people who live off taxpayers' money and that he clearly didn't care a whit as people were laid off in the city during the worst economy since the Great Depression. All he wanted was even lower taxes. Lay off more people with children and mortgages and responsibilities.

That's personal.

Personal is when people who loved the Troy Public library toiled 10 hours a day to try to find a way to save it. Howrylak and his political buddies strolled in and created fake proposals to put on the ballot, intentionally screwing with the ballot box. Do you know how the people who were trying to save the library felt when they learned about this little game? They were devastated. They were literally made sick by it. And the people who took around the fake petitions, pretending to be supportive of the library? They were laughing! And the people who found out that they had signed petitions that were actually going to harm the save-the-library effort? They cried.

That's personal.

Creating a fake scandal about Mary Kerwin by sending her a letter trying to force her not to play dirty (hahahahahahaha) and not to get personal, then personally attacking her over the letter that she never received -- questioning her integrity over a fake scandal he engineered? That's personal.

That's personal and scummy (and childish and stupid, actually). That's Howrylak.

I think it's fair to question a politician who wants to kill off all taxes, including personal income taxes, and bleed our governments dry. I think it's fair to ask just how much in taxes he has paid in his life. What does he know about the balance of taxes and services that the families of Troy moved here to enjoy? What does he know about paying taxes? What does he know about putting kids through school and needing libraries for those kids who are reading multiple books every week? I get to ask that. That's not personal -- that's a politician's background. Why must Howrylak hide his?

I think it's fair to question a man who puts a wife in his marketing materials who doesn't seem to live in this country. Is it honest to use her in those materials? Does she live here? I think that's a fair question. I am a voter. I already know up close and personal that he is dishonest. Yet, he wants to make a living off my tax dollars. I think I can ask that. This is a politician who says he gives a &%$# about transparency? (hahahahahahahahahaha)

Talking about people's families is personal. Yes, indeed.

Janice Daniels' and Martin Howrylak's desire to dismantle my city government is personal to me, because I have a home and children in this city. I moved here because it was supposed to be the best city for families around. But these yahoos don't believe in libraries and the public good. And now this man wants to do the same harm to our state.

You're damn right I have questions about whether he is qualified. You're damn right I want to know if he has ever held a job. You're damn right I want to know if he knows anything about what it means to be an adult. Of course I do. I am terrified of this naive man being in a leadership position in this state. He is dishonest and his ideas come from silly ideology rather than experience, logic and reason.

And the fact that his ideology and political gamesmanship are more important to him than the well-being of his fellow citizens in Troy and in Michigan, makes him a poor candidate indeed.

People constantly ask, "How on earth did that Janice Daniels ever get elected!?" She got elected because people didn't bother to open their eyes and simply observe the obvious facts.

Let's not let that happen again.

45 comments:

  1. Couldn't agree with this more! No to Howrylak and YES to RECALL Janice Daniels!

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  2. The harm this man and his followers caused has been huge. The attacks on good, solid employees who also happen to be fellow residents were deeply troubling. Yes, your questions are valid. Way more valid then the scripted ones he read from council table that discredited staff and fellow council members. The guy is not a leader. He's another ideologue. And because he now calls himself a Republican this anti-government extremist is going go earn a salary paid for by you and me. It's nauseating.

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  3. I agree that the previous post went a little too far and obviously Sharon has acknowledged and apologized for that...however, this article definitely adds a little perspective to where some of the anger comes from.

    I think what Martin and Janice don't realize is that this may just be politics to them, but this runs much deeper to the people who are opposed to their games. For some, their livelihoods have been impacted by the lies. For others, it impacts things in this city that makes this a community that they want to be a part of.

    Sharon made a fantastic point in this post...this IS personal to the people that have been played like pawns in Martin and Janice's political fun. This serves as a good reminder that Janice and Martin are not victims. They have invited the disdain by messing with peoples lives.

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  4. And for the record, no one ever heard me complaining about the woman who called me and other people names at the last council meeting. I know I'm tough on my opponents. I'm not complaining. However, also don't expect me to publish your messages bashing me on my blog. Dave Henderson complains here when I don't publish his zillions of posts immediately, (we publish about 90% of what he does write), but he won't let me post on any of his sites, now will he? I try not to be a hypocrite. Perhaps some of you can give that a whirl?

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    1. For the record. I've never stopped you from posting anything on my facebook page which is my only blog. I can tell you that anyone that stoops to name calling and sabre rattling is subject to a quick delete because I try to keep a friendly but lively discussion there. Nothing good happens when people start slamming each other.

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    2. Dave, I am not able to post on your FB page. If you care about the truth so much you would check it out and let me post.

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    3. Done... you never asked to join, and I haven't kept anyone from joining (that lives in Troy). Again, keep in mind, no sabre rattling and nothing remotely as mean spirited as you allow here is allowed on my page. I do reserve the right to bounce people out for crossing that line. You'll get a warning, but thats about it. I don't have the time or capability these days of babysitting fights started by uncalled for attacks. Thanks

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    4. Wrong, Dave. You kept me from joining when the page first began. I haven't attempted to join again in recent times.

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  5. It's just so much uglier on the other side, chum.

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  6. You're right, Sharon. It IS personal when these politicians are trying to change why we moved here in the first place. For me the same reason as yours, "best city for families", an excellent and diverse school district, library, parks and rec and other city services, at a bargain as far as property taxes go when compared with Bhm or Bloomfield Hills. I see this group as a direct and personal threat to my way of life here.
    Let's not reward Martin Howrylak, don't send him to Lansing on our tax dollars, he doesn't represent us or our values.

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  7. Very well written Sharon. I too share your angst. I have lived in Troy 38 years and this gang has stained the city. Unfortunately, we will have to endure more of the vitriol the closer we get to November 6th. This is evidenced by the misleading information that Janice's supporters are trying to feed the citizens by way of TCU and their Facebook page and the new website against the recall. I would laugh at some of the so-called information if it wasn't so sad that some people even believe it. I will ask again that everyone do their fact checking before casting their votes. I do and I know unequivocally that voting YES on the recall is the only choice if we want our city to continue to be one of the safest and best places to live.

    I am a Republican, but cannot in all good conscience vote for Martin. As mentioned before Martin and his tactics have caused much discord in our community. While I prefer to vote for a Republican candidate I am not given one who I have any faith in. I want someone with the qualifications and experience necessary to do the job. One that will look at the big picture and do what is in the best interest of ALL their constituents. The only candidate that meets this is Mary Kerwin.

    Just looking at each candidates credentials shows a stark contrast in experience and a more rounded view of issues. Mary has been continuously engaged in charitable issues and has an understanding of special needs, etc. She has been on the school board which gives her an advantage in educational issues. Her numerous other involvements span the spectrum which she will be facing as House Representative. I don't see how there can be any doubt as to who is more qualified to represent ALL of us. Contrary, to what some may think and spew in blogs, Mary is fiscally conservative and a true leader.

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  8. I know personally some neighbors who bought into the literature mailed out by Janice and her cronies. They really believed the lies and did not question anything.

    And I also feel that Howrylak cost the city money by putting the fake proposals on the ballot thereby causing another election to happen.

    I have watched council meetings where Howrylak was contentious to the other city council members, trying to create hostility. It is a shame that he might actually get elected too.

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  9. Sharon crawl back into your dark place and take your broom and your cauldron with you.

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    1. I thank God for this blog and people like Sharon who are shedding light on all the dark activities by the likes of Daniels and Howrylak. We will win Troy back from the dark side on Nov. 6!

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  10. I would, but janice is in there and there's no more room! :-D

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  11. Bob Gosselin bragged to county commissioners that HE got the 3 bogus library petions filed on the ballot to defeat the Friends of the Troy Public Library! He bragged and gloated! The Friends and citizens should be outraged!

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  12. Thank you Sharon for writing this post and keeping a history of everything that has gone on. You have written what I wish I could have. I've had it with the political antics of Gosselin, Howrylak, Daniels, Henderson and the rest of the TCU groupies. Howrylak is the WRONG choice for MI. He has shown total disregard for the families in Troy that moved her for the services, library, museum, nature center etc. He has shown allegiance to the wrong crowd in my mind. Now he has created a facade in an attempt to paint a picture of normalcy and fit in to the Troy community. Don't be fooled! He is not a decent man. He is deceptive and willing to stoop to low levels in order to mislead people into voting for him.

    Vote for Mary Kerwin. She has the knowledge, the life experiences to represent this area in Lansing. Vote for Louise Schilling for the County. It's time for Mr Gosselin to retire from politics. Vote YES to recall Janice Daniels.

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  13. Thanks for taking the hit for writing down exactly what those who have been watching this little tool for years are talking about and observing. This guy is a farce. Vote for Mary Kerwin.

    Sharon, this really seems to have struck a chord with his cronies. You clearly hit the nail on the head. Thank you.

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  14. Personal is having the Mayor's supporter call you a "hate filled loser" for simply standing up to hypocrisy.

    Personal is having TCU apologists and supporters continuously rail against you for supposed "angry" behavior, all the while speaking so viciously and angrily that it's laughable.

    Personal is having someone snidely insinuate that because Sharon or I or anyone else who will not accept the poor behavior of Howrylak, Daniels, Gosselin and company, we must have horrible things wrong in our lives and that they must pray for us.

    Personal is having had the issues of Troy warped and skewed by one lone voice for so long that a second voice had no choice but to form -- and then now having that second voice being lumped into the same category. Anyone more than a casual observer knows there is a WORLD of difference. For THAT, I am grateful.

    The total irony and hypocrisy of this entire issue is epitomized by those against whom this blog has spoken.

    What's that trite saying?

    People in glass houses and all that?

    Check your own houses, people.

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    1. As another who was called the "hate filled loser" I completely agree with Sue's post. My neighbors have even asked if I am afraid, since the posts about us (angry women) are so full of venom. I am not afraid and either are the others involved in doing what is right for our community. I am, however, embarrassed that we have an over abundance of diabolical citizens whose only goal is to wreak havoc on the community for power and political gain. What is really unfortunate is that this group of supporters takes pride in their methods and madness.

      Yes, this recall campaign is personal. Janice and her supporters are messing with my assets; my home, my community, my friends, etc. and they are acting like a bunch of thugs in doing so.


      The next two weeks will be full of the vitriol ad nauseum. I won't ask you to ignore it, but rather fact check it. I have and will give more information soon.

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    2. Sue, if you were referring to me regarding "snidely insinuate.....", I can understand how you could think that. Please know that I didn't mean to be snide, I really am concerned but obviously not very tactful. Just because I hate what she wrote does not mean that I hate her. I did forgive her. I did say a prayer for her. And if you think that is inappropriate, then I apologize.

      BTW, Ms. Ellen Hodorek tells me that some of what I say shows that I assume the worst about the character of the people that I ctiticize. I don't mean to do that. Please know that although I object to the tone you sometimes use to make your points, I have no reason to question your character.

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    3. But do you not see how patronizing that sounds? Because we express an opinion with which you differ...and because over the years our tone has had to gradually get more and more firm and assertive...you assume there is something wrong with US for which we need prayer??

      Why not notice that some of these people have taken things too far? Their perceived power has gone to their heads, and they think they can do no wrong. Why, just today, someone else insinuated that Sharon must have NO IDEA that people are suffering around here...can't pay taxes...etc.

      Excuse me...that woman has no idea the personal circumstances some of us have suffered. But to say that simply because we advocated FOR a library, recall, millage, whatever...and AGAINST trickery...means we haven't SUFFERED or can't understand those that do? Ridiculous.

      The tone with which we write or speak has HAD to become louder, angrier, more assertive because of the outrageous hyperbole being thrown at us and every resident of this city.

      Speaking out against the kind of games being played is not the problem in Troy. IT'S THE GAMES BEING PLAYED.

      I don't mean to yell with the caps...it's emphasis. But it does make honest people angry to continually be subject to the two-faced hypocrisy that is rampant in Troy.

      So thank you for not questioning my character simply because I feel so very passionately about this...so very strongly upset with those who do not know me or Sharon or any of us brave enough to stand up to the bullying.

      We are your neighbors. We want what's best for Troy. And we question why it is that some think tricking us, bullying us and demeaning us is what's best.

      Because it's not.

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    4. You go ahead and keep on calling it 'bullying' Sue. But refer back to what you posted right here: " HAD to become louder, angrier, more assertive ".. Louder, angrier, more assertive?? That's not how a bully tries to manipulate their 'victim'? Yea , it is. And that knife cuts both ways. If you cant take it, then you would be wise not do dish it out. Otherwise, the use of the term bullying is not correct, it would be 'responding in kind'. You dont like it when it is directed at you, but you are perfectly fine with dishing it out? I dont think so.

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    5. You go ahead and keep defending the bad behavior. How about that?

      Here's the main difference: I said "louder, angrier, and more assertive."

      I didn't say, "Call private citizens out by name simply because they fought back against wrong-doing."

      I didn't say, "Stand up at council and call people derogatory ethnic terms."

      I didn't say, "Insult high school children and suggest we 'kick them the hell out' of a council meeting."

      What part of any of what is written here about ELECTED PUBLIC OFFICIALS comes even close to what we've seen done to private citizens?

      I can take it rather well. I understand those who have their wrong-doing pointed out to them don't like that we do that here. But to then direct hatred against me for pointing it out?

      That's bullying. Plain and simple. Defend it all you like. There's a huge difference.

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    6. P. S. Anon 11:53 -- the main administrator allows you to be anonymous. I wouldn't. But that being said, please note that Sharon and I (and most other contributors) use their real names. We've spoken in public under our real names. We own what we say.

      We don't hurl insults without being man/woman enough to admit to it. In fact, we don't hurl insults at all.

      You call what we do "dishing it out."

      I call it standing up to what is wrong in defense of what is right.

      We've gotten loudER, angriER and MORE assertive than anyone was in the beginning, that's true. But it's in response to continued disingenuous behavior.

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    7. Call it whatever you want Sue. And yes, in this particular case, I'll choose to remain anonymous, even as crazy as that drives you. Wasn't it one of your supporters who made a death threat on one of the facebook pages? And by the way, at this particular time, Martin Howrlak IS a private citizen. Yes, he is a candidate, but nevertheless. So what THAT criticism amounts to is politics. it's an ugly game to be sure, but you need to admit to the fact that you (and Sharon) are posting some things strictly based on a political agenda. (I also note that Anon 6:14, and Anon 10:07, and Anon 7:32, and Anon 3:31... etc. are NOT being called out for their anonymity. Why is that? Is it because they happen to support your position?.. Seems like you should be even handed if your reason is all about being anonymous versus not).

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    8. Sue, Yes I can see how patronizing that sounds. That was not my intent. However, you are mistaken if you think I assume because of the reasons you listed, that there is something wrong with your group for which you need prayer. Unless I'm mistaken, the only time I suggested that someone may have something wrong for which a prayer could be helpful was directed at the owner of this blog for a specific post that I felt was almost beyond redemption. And didn't I already say to you that if you think that is inappropriate then I apologize? What else would you have me do?

      And just as I admit to how patronizing I sounded, can you not see that the rest of your post ALMOST seems to suggest that I am one of the bad guys and that I should take the blame and responsibility for what these other people say as well?

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    9. Honestly, if you can't see the difference between your tone and anyone else's tone, I can't help you. Similarly, if you think MH is a "private citizen" after having been in the public eye for so long...well, interesting.

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    10. Here's another thing that has bothered me about insults hurled against SAVE TROY, TRUST and RECALL supporters...many times there is an anti-women bent to them. It started with one of the TCU regular speakers at city council saying they were "just a bunch of women making noise like angry birds in a barnyard". Then there is the J.D. supporter at the last city council spitting out the evil queen looking glass metaphor from Snow White, and the one on this blog, with a witch reference. Why is this? Is a woman's opinion less important, less valid, less serious than a man's? Add this to a host of other reasons that I could never be "for" the Troy Tea Party: their thinly veiled and sometimes outright visible anti-women attitude, it just strikes me as smack 'em down because they're getting uppity, and use all those hackneyed cliches to diminish their voices.

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    11. I can't wait till you throw in the racist card to go along with everything else. Oh wait, you did throw in the racist card already.

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    12. John...this is in response to you...just wanted to clarify that I in no way suggested that you have any obligation to take blame or responsibility for anything others have done. Nor do I feel that way...

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    13. Janice Daniels not a racist?

      Then why did she allow her patent lawyer buddy, who she deemed a "transit expert", come to the podium twice to talk about the Transit Center? Both times, he referred to the trains as "mugger movers" and the "heroin express" and preaching fear about the people coming from Detroit. Why did she allow such comments twice? Did she not find those comments to be "real rude"?

      Oh....maybe she's not a racist. Maybe she's only friends with racist. That's so much better.

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  15. Personal is having a Mayor who has her own financial problems think she is smart enough to manage other taxpayers money. She should get her own house in order and leave my investment alone.

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    1. Mayor Daniels is smart enough to get the job done. As is Martin Howrylak. They think their job is drowning government in the bathtub.

      When people like them are voted into office the results are always the same. Their ends always justify their means. I do think it is fair to question Howrylak's marital status. He has used it as a part of his campaign image.

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  16. His robo call attacking Kerwin crossed the line, big time. Smarmy move, typical of Howrylak.

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  17. Nope, Anon 3:09, I'm not going to throw in the race card (I'm Anon 2:50). Sorry I said the word "uppity" that probably triggered that response from you. In my observation, Troy does not have a race problem...that is, there are little to no racial minorities represented on either "side", nor are racial minorities clamoring or volunteering for representation. So you can put the race card accusation away. I was merely noticing occasions where (what can I say that you will not find offensive?) OK, the wording or description, of the Library, Save Troy, Recall proponets, whatever you want to call this conglomerate of constituents, from TCU seem to be gender-based, from my observations over the past couple years. In fact from my take at city council meetings public commenters, for the most part, it's been crazy old men (TCU) vs intelligent articulate women, that is if I were prone to generalize.

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    1. Remembered another example...during the transit center decision, one TCUer said on the internet, "(Troy chamber of commerce president), go home and take care of your baby!" First, talk about getting personal, major ick factor here. Secondly, would this have been said to a male chamber of commerce president?

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    2. I sure wish all those crazy old men would retire to Florida. I think I'll say a prayer for it, in fact.

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    3. "crazy old men "...
      You DO know there is a thing called age discrimination dont you?

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    4. Anon 8:24, you DO know there is a 1st amendment right to free speech, Janice exercises it; can't anyone else exercise it and be "hyperbolic" and "edgy"? And excuse me, but as far as age discrimination, are any of those guys applying for a job here that I didn't know about?

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  18. Sharon, I wouldnt worry too much about people being upset about some of the things you have written. The same folks that are mad are the same people who think all of the hate speech spewed forth by the mayor is no big deal. Remember, it's only freedom of speech when THEY say it. *grin*

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  19. When have any of those TCU-types ever apologized for going too far? Not to excuse anyone else, but they constantly cross the line. Look at the uninformed accusations and personal vitriol in the council meetings. At least the owner of this blog is self aware enough to admit fault and apologize. I am not waiting for that sort of adult behavior from the TCU-types.

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  20. " the owner of this blog is self aware enough to admit fault and apologize"..
    OH PULEEEZ! This was no apology, this was an OOPS followed by another lengthy post saying how justified she was in the first place. Apology ? I dont think so. If it was left at that, maybe, but then within 24 hours this was posted instead. You need a new dictionary.

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    1. This is exactly the sort of non-adult behavior I expected...

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  21. I find it humorous that they can accuse others of misinformation, but then put fiction on their sites, as they did last night. They insinuated there was an "AMAZING show of support for the mayor." Later a poster said, "The Council Chambers were not packed like I thought they would be." That's right folks. Plenty of seats were available.

    For those in attendance, they were able to witness the absolutely deplorable behavior of Janice once again. You want to talk about personal, watch the video and then talk to me about personal:

    http://troy.patch.com/articles/video-troy-mayor-argues-with-proclamation-recipient-during-meeting#comment_5166324

    DON'T GUESS VOTE YES TO RECALL JANICE DANIELS!! Nov. 6th can't come soon enough.

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