Tuesday, September 25, 2012

On Imitation and Flattery

I'm on the Recall Janice Daniels e-mail distribution, and I received this last night:

Dear Recall Supporters,

This is what Janice has done to Troy politics.

If people who care about the library create "Friends of the Troy Public Library," because they care about the city, Janice's friends create "Friends of Troy Library with No New Taxes" to sow confusion amongst the Troy Voters.


If the people of Troy work hard
to get a library millage question on the ballot, Janice's friends circulate disingenuous petitions to get nearly identical questions on the ballot. All to confuse Troy voters.

If the city puts forth a 1.9% (CORRECTION BY KTS ON 9/26: NOT 1.9% INCREASE, 1.9 MILLAGE INCREASE) millage proposal, Janice's friends get together and start screaming that it's a 29% tax increase. Even though
Janice's friends know they're being deceptive.

I've attached a picture of the lawn signs Janice is using to fight the recall.
Notice a pattern in Janice's tactics?

Janice Daniels has surrounded herself with people who believe that lying is acceptable.


Remember, each an every one of us is vital in helping to Recall Janice Daniels.- The Recall Janice Daniels Team

The Janice response to recall:

The original for her pirated idea:

I suppose she thinks we should be flattered...after all, isn't imitation the highest form of flattery?
I suppose she thinks the voters of Troy are stupid and/or easily confused...after all, isn't this the most recent attempt to trick in a long line of such attempts? And before anyone can say she had nothing to do with it...check out the official filing (click to enlarge):

I suppose she hopes the voters are passive and won't attempt to "follow the money" to see that the person on the paperwork is none other than Janice herself.  That's Janice's address.  She cannot deny association with this particular sign or its intent.  And the treasurer named on the filing? That's Ray Watts, her friend, frequent shadow, speaker and supporter -- oh, and her campaign  manager/finance guy from the November mayoral election.  

The response from RECALL supporters has been quick and to the point:

-- Well, now we know why it took her so long to get signs made. She had to wait for ours to go up so she could copy them!
-- Appalling. Really. Reason # 384 to RECALL.
-- Why am I not surprised???
-- Smoke and mirror,s make the no vote look like a yes and vice versa. very old tactics. I hope she doesn't believe any of this to be original.
  
To be honest, the initial reaction IS to be somewhat incensed...that's what I've seen more of than anything.  But then this astute observer added:
 
Looking again, tho, this strategy is only perpetuating the RECALL brand, which the Recall folks smartly established. Yes recall, no recall, she's just spending more $$ to get people thinking about the recall. The more they see it, the more they think about it, the more they think about it.....well.......one can only hope the right conclusion is reached. Keep it front and center. PR 101.
 
I have always said...give this woman enough time in front of a microphone, and she'll hand you enough material to prove her ineptitude.  Give her supporters enough time and a little money, they'll do the campaigning AGAINST her.  
Looks like they've succeeded again.
Spread the word about how Mayor Daniels is trying to flatter the recall team...and vote YES to recall her in November.

55 comments:

  1. ROFL.. oh good grief, this is just humorous..

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  2. I think her team got it right and it is easy to see what the signs are saying. This can only help our campaign.

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    1. I think it is embarrassing. She can't win on her own merits, so she is trying to trick the voter. So much for transparency in government. She is a joke.

      And the fact that you blindly support someone so inept at their job is an even bigger joke.

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    2. Put a sock in it Casey, I was being sarcastic,

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    3. Apparently, I missed the sarcasm. Perhaps you should have laid it on thicker. HA HA!

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  3. Wary and Weary in TroySeptember 25, 2012 at 11:35 AM

    This is just the beginning of a series of tactics to come. The playbook is wide open now and not unlike some football teams, they keep calling the same tired plays. They may have moved the ball down field for a while, but now the defense has their number.
    It is time for everyone that wants the successful outcome of a recall to double down and help the recall team. Yes, you walked for petition signatures, but now you need to keep going. Make phone calls, hit doors again, donate, and eblast. Keep pressing. This is not a done deal. It is great to write letters to the editor, but if the bulk of the residents of Troy don't take the local papers, that is not enough.
    Be determined that trickery and lies won't win out here once again in Troy. Stand up for change for the better. Contact the Recall team and be active in helping them get this done for everyone. It isn't easy and it is enormously stressful on the people at the center and their families. Help them to help you. Volunteer today.

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    1. I'll bet they even thought that was a touch down by Seattle. They feel if you think it and spew it over and over and over again, it must be true.

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  4. Janice's friends are a desperate and unoriginal lot. The only way for them to win is to play dirty and cheat. They imitate what is good and manipulate it into something evil. They profess to be good Christians, but their every action and word is quite un-Christian. Residents of Troy: Do not fall for their unscrupulous, deceitful tactics. We have the power to shut down Janice Daniels and her corrupt friends. VOTE YES to RECALL MAYOR JANICE DANIELS and urge your neighbors to do the same.

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  5. Watts is the guy who never signs up to speak at the council meetings. He hangs back so he can be the last speaker. He never identifies himself as Janice's campaign manager and then goes on to talk about how wonderful she is. He acts like he is just another guy who lives in Troy. These people have no decency and no honor. It's hard to even imagine what they will come up with next because honest people don't think they way they think.

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  6. These are the tactics that have divided Troy. And they will continue to do so. It's why I'm prepping my house to sell it. I'm over it. Until Janice, Dave Henderson, Wade Fleming, Bob Gosselin, Glenn Clark, Deb Debacker, et. al., stop their madness this community will continue to face more cuts that damage its sustainability. Their idiot minions stand at the council microphone and spew innuendo and lies without any remorse. I don't know how they look at themselves in the mirror.

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  7. Unfortunately Anonymous 7:04 PM the disease we have in Troy has spread. Nearly every community is battling these types of people. It seems to be stemming from the extreme end of the TEA party. Don't be surprised when you find yourself in the same predicament in a new location with different cast members. Good luck to you.

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    1. You mean the disease of spending within your means? The horror...

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    2. Nope, the disease of using lies, scare tactics,and bullying to get what want. The disease that allows one to stand on their soap box and spout about how christian one is then turn around and demonstate the most unchristian like behaviors imaginable. That disease.

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    3. By the way, there is a difference between spending within your means and only wanting the city to spend on what you favor. Based on the TRUTH the previous council did very well in spending within their means. Just because you may not like something they chose to spend or not spend on, doesn't mean it wasn't in the best interest of the ENTIRE community.

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    4. We have always spent within our means. The TCU types want to remove the means to deliver services from Troy government. Their horror is paying any taxes ever.

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  8. What these people are doing, to them, is simply a game that must be won no matter what. If they have to lie, cheat, misinform, deceive, steal, they will. They will have no qualms or guild because in their little minds (oh that was snarky wasn't it) their ideology is the only right one and nothing is more important than winning. If you have any time at all to spare. Please consider helping out the recall group. One email to all your friends, a few conversations with your neighbors, a letter to the editor, anything will help this fight be successful. After working several recent elections (3 battles for the library included) getting the signatures was only 1/2 of the battle, and unfortunately the easiest 1/2. The most important thing we can all do for this recall is make sure we get out and vote, be sure all of our family, friends, neighbors, get out to vote. Help them access absentee ballots if necessary, offer to take them to the polls. What got Janice Daniels in office wasn't the people who voted for her. It was the people who didn't even bother to vote. Thank you to all who have worked so hard on the recall. My thoughts, prayers, and my small efforts are all on your side.

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  9. And no one notices. Judging from the comments everyone read right past it. Facts matter, not just those that claim they are the final arbiters of facts, but the actual facts.

    It was a 1.9 MILL increase, not a 1.9 PERCENT increase. The difference is more than an order of magnitude. And that 1.9 mill increase of the existing 6 mill city tax happens to be a 29% increase.

    Deceptive much, Sue? Or are you really that uninformed?

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  10. Pardon my error in not noticing the mistake above. Yes, it was a 1.9 MILLAGE increase.

    It increased the general fund millage from 6.something up by 1.9. So it was a 29% increase of THAT portion of your taxes, NOT YOUR ENTIRE TAX BILL. For me, it would have amounted to about $120/year of a $4500+ tax bill at that time. Hardly the increase TCU was trying to sell us.

    Did you know that, or are YOU really that uninformed?

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    1. It was more of a question about how much additional money it gave to the CITY than how much additional money it cost each individual homeowner. And that $120 figure is also NOT the one that was touted frequently by supporters. I heard more often than not that it would have been something like $39.00 NOT $120.

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    2. Ah, yes...you are right. It would NOT have cost me that much because my house DROPPED in value another several thousand from that time. So right...it would have cost the average $100,000 SEV home about $40. Thank you for correcting me.

      As to how much it would have provided the city...ENOUGH TO KEEP IT RUNNING AS WELL AS IT HAD BEEN. I still don't see why that was so bad...cuts were already in place, negotiations planned with all unions, and down-sizing had begun. Forecasters were WISE to suggest that millage increase.

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    3. At the end of the day it was a reauthorization of an existing millage wasn't it? It would have been a tax reduction in any case, wouldn't it? The TCU painted this as entirely new taxes, that was very dishonest.

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    4. Sue, steering the focus in another direction is a form of deception is it not?? You know, the ole 3 card monte deal? (Here is some information on that : " Three-card Monte is an example of a classic "short con" in which a shill pretends to conspire with the mark to cheat the dealer, while in fact conspiring with the dealer to cheat the mark.".. ) In the case of the 1.9 mill increase, Council = the shill, Management the dealer, residents=the mark. Fortunately not all residents were dumb players and the 1.9 increase was soundly defeated.

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    5. Anon 10:36AM...you make no sense. How as it a con? Council and management laid out the issue: current and projected falling revenue. They laid out the consequence: loss of services. They laid out the solution: pass a millage or do without.

      TCU laid out the CON and the scare tactics...frightened residents called and screamed at city employees that they couldn't afford to pay 29% MORE...signs that said, "Say no to 29% tax increase!" were deceptive.

      You're entitled to your opinion. Just not your own facts.

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    6. Once again we have the deception as gospel. TCU's reputation precedes them and shame on anyone who does not do their homework to learn the facts. It is absolutely amazing that we still hear at every council meeting the lies that have been spouted for the last several years.

      Janice even went so far as to say in her State of the City speech that the taxpayers of Troy will be responsible for the maintenance of the Transit Center. It has been repeatedly stated that the Troy Chamber of Commerce has offered to step up and cover those and Amtrak has also recently said they would do so. What is wrong with these people and those that believe them?

      I have asked Janice for months now where is the "hidden money" they claimed was available for the library? I received a response but no answer. I am still waiting. However, councilman Dave Henderson also "responded" with a more or less "we'll have to wait and see." What? You said the money was there. Smoke and mirrors can't even help them on this one.

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    7. Yes 10:36 it's really "dumb" to want a community that provides attractive, well run amentities that enhance our property values. The problem with the TCU is that they are pennywise and dollar foolish. Save a couple of bucks on taxes, while you make the city as a whole a less desirable place to live. That is "brillant". Just like Janice didn't want to pass thru $9 PER YEAR for garbage pick up, but would rather have us all contract on our own for three times the amount we currently pay. That Janice sure is smart. I can see why she has had her own financial problems. The TCU crowd seems like a very bitter lot. They seem like under-achievers who blame others for the under achievement. If they feel so exploited living here maybe they would be happier elsewhere.

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  11. It is absolutely crystal clear that the 1.9 increase should have been voted in. The council majority and city management knew what they were doing. Janice Daniels and the TCU did this community a disservice misleading the people of Troy. It's disgusting. Martin Howrylak and Wade Fleming contributed in a subversive way from the council table.

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  12. In years gone by as the millage rate decreased (check the records, they clearly indicate a steady reduction in the City property tax millage) and property values increased which they did for many years0, I heard repeated complaints from people that "taxes" were increasing. If one follows the logic of "Anonymous September 26, 2012 7:01 AM" those folks were wrong, "taxes" did not increase; the amount they paid did solely due to increased property values. The author of the post is contending that tax rate alone represents "taxes". That is simply not true. Neither millage or property value alone are an indicator of what you pay in taxes; all taxes are the result of a mathmatical equation R(rate or in ths case millage)x V(in this case property value) = Tax.
    So, to state that a 1.9 mill increase is a 29% increase in taxes was, and remains, highly misleading. Let's be honest here, the intent of that statement was to lead people to believe they would PAY 29% more in taxes. In reality, due to the decrease in property value (the V in the equation) actual taxes paid would have still decreased in spite of an additional 1.9 mill levy. I very clearly remember city administration framing the question in this manner, and indicating even with the adddtion of 1.9 mills the city would experience a revenue decrease, that reductions in city expenditures would continue and that the millage had an sunset clause. Opponents simply stated its a 29% increase in taxes. So "Anonymous September 26, 2012 7:01 AM" who was being deceptive and who is really uninformed?

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    1. This is why I hate what all you people are doing to the city. I never said that "taxes" would increase 29%. I said the city's millage tax would increase. Millage tax equates to any reasonable person as rate.

      Besides that, the issue was never rate versus taxes. It was, is and will always be credibility. Daniels was elected because more than half the city could no longer stomach anyone, even Robin Beltramini, from the existing power structure. When you attack "them", keep in mind that everyone who voted for "them" resents your position. You don't keep insulting, abusing and dismissing the "other side" politically as much as you do half the city's residents. Think about it. I won't hold my breath.

      Two sick sides, both taking huge liberties with the truth, driving my city, a city I used to love, into the ditch. The mayor isn't the problem. The mayor is just the inevitable symptom of the problem. And she won't be the last. This is the real point none of you want to face. Where on earth, when in God's name, does this ever end?

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    2. More than half the city would be 40,000 voters. Troy only has 50,000+ registered voters, and only 6,000+ voted for her. She won by a very narrow margin. So, no, it wasn't more than half the city.

      She also misrepresented herself, and if the debacle of her mayorship has shown us anything, it's that folks don't pay very close attention. So if you were only just sort of watching and heard someone say, "I'm an independent!" you might be swayed to vote for her in this politically charged climate. Once she got in and those who didn't know her before saw what she really stood for, how she acted and what her true narrow-minded, bigoted and harmful values were...they knew she wasn't right for the culturally diverse, vibrant community of Troy.

      You ask when this will end...it ends when people like you stop "hating" those with whom you disagree. It ends when people like Janice Daniels stop misleading the public. Like it or not, MANY residents DID think they'd pay a 29% higher total tax bill. They showed up at City Hall. They called City Hall. They berated and abused city workers. They spoke of it on public record at council meetings, in PTO meetings, in churches, and on the street. We have Janice Daniels and her supporters to thank for that.

      This ends when Janice Daniels is recalled and integrity can be restored to Troy.

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    3. You are obviously upset. But re-read your post, aloud. Listen to the words and tone. Your anger is the same anger of "those people" that you accuse of "doing this to the city." They are your neighbors who wanted a library, nature center, historical village, aquatic center, good roads, full service police department and a city with high financial ratings and good reputation with people and businesses looking to move here. They are trying to protect their property values and good schools. Isn't that the "city you used to love?" "Those people" are residents that were stunned to learn of the very ugly political, goings-on in Troy that they weren't aware of. "Those people" are probably names you have never seen before the last couple years. But the "them" you feel are being attacked, their names can be seen and recognized for the many years of involvement in Troy back alley politics. It is the same people over and over who chair PAC's and ballot petition drives, get seats on city commissions, file false library petitions, or speak every single week at the city council meetings. That is "them." And that includes the mayor.
      You are right about the divide. It is just that you don't seem to have as much anger for "them" when you agree with their point of view. I must point out that "half the city's residents" did not vote for the mayor. Sadly, over half the city didn't vote. THAT is the shame of this. In addition, many of the people that voted for "them" (her) signed the petitions to recall her. Factually, everyone doesn't resent the position. So, see it is easy when you are fired up to dash off a post with comments that are not only technically inaccurate but also factually inaccurate to make a point. Think about that.
      The city is a local example of a national problem. People and politics are so polarized that there is no coming to the middle for the common good. When will this end you ask? When good people who are interested in the whole of the city, that are non-partisan, not ideologues and not climbers want to work for Troy.
      Those good folks will be hard in this climate. Then again, it may just be we don't agree about who "those good folks" are.

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    4. Facts are facts; the anti-millage side clearly stated it was a 29% tax increase. You check the documents and campaign literature and you'll see I'm correct; I didn't just make that up. Credibility? Here's a quote from the Mayor's State of the City speech when she was speaking of the glowing condition of the city and who deserves credit for it:
      “...is not fully to be found in the present; it is also the legacy of our past adminstrations. Credit goes to our previous councils,our previous management teams and the city employees who did the hard work to make the fiscally responsible decisions...”
      So, is this true or are all of her lectures prior to being elected, her attacks on the former Mayor and Council, her frequest Op-Eds and her verbal assault of John Szerlag true? You can't have it both ways. Was she lying then or is she lying now?
      What is it that the "you people" to whom you refer doing to the city? Demanding honesty,non-partisanship, civility? Is that wrong? Rogue Nation is absolutley correct. Sorry, give up on Troy if you want, I don't plan on doing that.

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  13. http://troy.patch.com/articles/similar-signs-recall-janice-daniels-vs-no-troy-recall

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  14. Rogue Notion, you are correct that folks who are closely watching the political games in Troy are speaking up in anger. I'm sorry if that is offensive. But. For several years those same people tried to play this game quietly and politely. If you have an issue with the fact the people are angry and speaking up so, it all goes full circle back to the TCU crowd. Candid, direct communication is in order. And I make no apology for all those who have stepped up to join that conversation.

    The final straw that precipitated the push back was the way the TCU political crowd treated the citizens group that tried to save the Library in November 2010. The three false proposals slyly and quietly placed on the ballot to create confusion combined with the Howrylak letter to residents filled with misinformation were the final straw. That team of politicians had a field day beating up city staff and other elected officials, but when they messed with knowledgeable, hard working, politically innocent fellow citizens it was the final straw.

    Those same citizens had taken a very high road with their campaign. Played nice. These same people -- including me -- are incredibly uncomfortable now speaking up. But, please. The tone is hardly over bearing. Have you seen Janice Daniels and Deb Debacker speak at council meetings? Watch Janice at the CMN debates. She is absolutely caustic. Dave Henderson and Cristian Teodoridis on social media prior to Henderson's election? Stunning.

    Speaking up against wrong is hard work. It's difficult. And it's not going to sound nice. Is it wrong to speak up? Well, it didn't work so well for several years when no one did.

    Let's send a clear signal to this political team that they do not represent the good, civil people of Troy. Do not vote for Martin Howrylak for state rep. Do not vote for Bob Gosselin for County Commissioner. Do not vote for Bentivolio, who couldn't hold his teaching job and will not even speak to members of the media as he hopes to be elected simply because he calls himself a Republican. And by all means vote yes to recall Janice Daniels.

    Then we can go back to not paying attention and let truly wise people with integrity make decisions based on facts in a logical, pragmatic environment.

    In the meantime, I wonder at criticizing those who spoke up and who keep speaking up while the integrity of Troy's leadership reputation tanks. Speaking up against lies is something we need to do to keep our community healthy. I'm sorry it isn't pretty. By definition it's not going to be and we are all worn out from stepping out of our comfort zone to do so.

    Join us in speaking up against those lies. Please. For the love of God. Otherwise you look like the adult who shows up on the scene to stupidly chastise the kid that finally had the guts to fight back against the bully. And the bully walks away and goes on to wreck another day. While all the other kids on the playground proceed on in disillusionment and recess continues to be a nightmare because the bully continues on. Discern. Be wise. Figure out where to put your critcism constructively. Otherwise, I'm sorry to say, you are part of perpetuating the problem. Hardly a rogue notion. More like status quo in Troy.

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    1. Ellen; I was responding directly to Anonymous 9:31 who said they hate "those people" for what they have done to her city. Well I was and am one of "those people" that got the message loud and clear about the group that was messing with our city. Make no mistake about that. I am fed up too. So we are singing the same tune my sister:))
      My post says that WE are the people that wanted a library, a nature center, a historical museum, police, etc. I think you may have mis-read my intent. Perhaps it was all the quotation marks to designate the us and them, sadly. I can assure you, I am not perpetuating the problem, but sure would like to help fix one on election day.

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    2. Thank you for clarifying, Rogue! I misread your comment and see your intent now. Sorry about that. My point is that we all need to get wise and be part of the solution and, clearly, I'm right with you on fixing it. I'm feeling hopeful. I really am. More and more people are understanding what people such as yourself figured out a while back. Again, thanks for clarifying.

      As for the Anonymous 9:31, if it's about credibility and you find Team Janice credible, I worry about you. And the rant I wrote to Rogue Notion is one I redirect to you. Please. Get your facts straight on this. Go back in time and see the rift that team has caused and then join in to protect your property values.

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  15. I really think a third party is needed in this country and the Republicans might want to think about it. They need to rid themselves of the teabaggers giving them a bad name.

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    1. I was thinking the same thing last night watching the news. The Republican party is looking more and more looney with having to satisfy their Tea Party element which Janice Daniels, Martin Howrylak and Bob Gosselein typify. One may say they're just words but with repeated outrageous statements (Todd Akin for one) and support for these candidates, I'm finding the GOP distasteful and alarming. Both the Dems and Repubs are needed for balanced bi-partisan gov't but it looks like the Republicans have gone off the rails.

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  16. Anonymous 10:15 am. The third party is the Tea Party. The Republican Party needs to stop supporting those types of candidates. They have made the traditional Republican Party nonexistent, as a result. And I want it back.

    Great example: I'm disgusted with Brooks Patterson, et al., who now stand behind Bentivolio. Thaddeous let them down and they valiantly tried to do a write-in with Nancy Cassis. That failed. So what do they do? They stand behind an idiot just because he is running on the Republican ticket. True Republicans need to grow a pair. If that means saying, the Democratic candidate is the wiser better one, than do so; sit down with that person and start to dialogue and maybe have some of the rational Republican ideas before that individual. Does anyone really believe Bentivolio has the smarts to serve us?

    I've had it with Republican leadership in this area. I'm voting Democratic all the way to send a clear signal that their thinking, decision making and leadership is fatally flawed. They need to broom Glen Clark, Gosselin, Henderson, DeBacker, etc., out. It's worrisome that Brooks Patterson is so injured and is likely not in position to keep the Taliban out of the Oak Co. party. We voters may need to clean house and redeem the Grand Old Party here.

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    1. Agree. Republican used to provide uninspired but safe choice candidates and their platform of fiscal conservativeness and pro-business had broad appeal. But now they seem to delight in backing rogue, renegade unknown quantity candidates with questionable backgrounds such as Bentivolio. The safer and moderate choices are actually Democrats these days. So recall Daniels, and vote for Kerwin and Taj!

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    2. Great idea. Throw the baby out with the wash. I support the recall, I don't support Howrylak or Gosselin, and I won't support four more years of debt and watching my children try and find a decent job.
      Look around for goodness sake; as a conservative Republican I know enough to separate the individual from the party they affiliate themselves with. Therefore, Kerwin and Schilling have my support. Don't vote for Brooks, choose to ignore the excellent financial condition of the county he leads and associate him with Troy's failed leadership just because they say they're republicans. Sorry, but that's the type of partisanship that led to the mess we're in now. Cleaning house doesn't mean you throw out the good with the bad; it requires you to think and identify what's worth keeping and what has to go.
      I suggest we deliver a message by voting for those who do the job, voting out those who've failed and pay less attention to party line rhetoric.

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    3. On that note, League of Women Voters is sponsoring meet the candidate nights for both US house rep 11 and state rep 41 next Monday and Wednesday, respectively:

      http://www.lwvoa.org/candidate_forums.html

      I can make the one in Clawson, but Plymouth would be tough, though I'd really like to meet both Bentivolio and Taj. We're at a disadvantage here in Troy, being the new part of the 11th district, and not familiar with the reputations or local word-of-mouth comments on either of these gentlemen.

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    4. Annon 1:43 Yes, your right, I never thought of it that way, Annon 10:15

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    5. Kerry Bentivolio is another example of a tea party wacko. He came canvassing in my neighborhood before the primaries and I have heard his campaign managers are very careful to keep him in line. THey know how nuts he is and do not want the public to see this side of him. If he is elected though, his wacky politics and personality will take over. He really needs to be kept on a leash.

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    6. Wary and Weary in TroySeptember 29, 2012 at 9:22 PM

      Dr. Taj should ask for a debate. Notice Bentavolio doesn't get in front of a camera or is rarely if ever interviewed in depth. THAT is a huge red flag. Let's encourage anyone in the press and at the League of WV to do a forum with them so we can see for ourselves without handlers.
      As we now know from the antics of Thad McCotter, that seat is very important to our area.

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    7. Wary and Weary, LWV DID have a candidate forum last night for US House of Rep...and guess who was a no-show, Bentivolio! I am getting very suspicious of the fellow, not only does he only speak in one-liner Tea Party rhetoric, left teaching job on bad terms, had a bankruptcy, but is a phantom candidate as well. At this point I just want proof that he can walk and chew gum at the same time, by himself, without handlers.

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  17. Anonymous 3:59: I want to be clear that I do not associate Brooks Patterson with the crazy Republicans in Troy. He himself refers to them as the Taliban of the Oakland County Republican Party.

    My concern is that if he is re-elected but his accident proves to cause him health concerns, who would step up to be the Oak County Exec? Brooks has done his best to keep the Taliban/GOPers in line. Would the next guy be able to do the same? If not, this crazy Republican disease rooted in Troy is at risk of spreading further. McMillian in Rochester is an example.

    I am extremely wary of what can happen if Gosselin, Clark, etc., find themselves in a position to further control things. Gosselin will spend down the county fund balance in a heartbeat. In lockstep with Janice Daniels here in Troy.

    Brooks was already a risk just due to his age. Now. He is even more of a risk. And when I consider how much his choice to not wear a seatbelt cost the county, it makes me livid and it makes me wonder about his judgment. I will likely still vote for him, but. I am deeply concerned.

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    1. Next time you drive through Troy check seat belt usage by those around you; you'll see Brook's mistake is a common one. I don't see it as a judgement lapse; smoking is a well known risk to health and many very bright people continue to smoke (the President being one of them). Such mistakes are just that, mistakes.
      I do share your concern about republican party leadership; however, who are the shining stars on the democrat side? Scary isn't it? Save the occasional Brooks Patterson type there's a void in qualified people who people who are willing to expose themselves and their families to the attacks (and BOTH sides are guilty of it) that are part of today's political environment.
      Sorry if I came off harsh; I just fear that the fuel behind the recall movement is sometimes not the actions of Janice Daniels but rather her party affiliation alone. That would be wrong; we should focus on her poor leadership regardless of her party. As a very conservative, Christian, republican, posters to this blog sometimes offend me; but, I know the Mayor is a destructive force that must be recalled. Bob Gosselin and Martin Howrylak need to be defeated. That's how we start to take our party back. I truly hate to say that; maybe it's a case of addition by subtraction.

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    2. Completely agree. I do.

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  18. My God, I had no idea so many would prove my point. I am Anonymous @ 9:31 and I continue to be amazed at how many people, from both sides, not only cherry pick data to create their "facts", but even cherry pick commentary to either approve or attack. The referenced "all you people" was literal. I meant both sides. I do NOT support the mayor or her ilk. I made it clear that I think both sides, and for very good factual reasons, have engaged in a very sick and co-dependent dance that has no end game. But go ahead an ignore the point. You always do.

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    1. Maybe if you made your point clearer the "all you people" you refer to could understand it. Given the response to your comment the point you made was anything but ignored. It's just that nobody agreed with you.
      Given your posts it seems you are saying the situation is hopeless. I don't agree.

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    2. Annon at 9:35. It is interesting that you use the word "co-dependent". My experience is that people who use that word always blame those who call out bad behavior as being the problem. The bad behavior is never called out. That is my experience dealing with family members who are deeply immersed in this psychobabble. Those who call out bad/hurtful/harmful behavior are trying to make things better and correct wrongs that have been done. We are not the problem. The deflection is just maddening.

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  19. Anonymous, you are the seed that falls on rock. You disassemble others positions and deride them for trying to make good change. You are less than a pessimist. Do nothing. Support no one. Sit there and hope it goes to hell while whining about the two steps forward and one step back that progress takes. You contribute not one iota of good. You just create noise. Anonymous indeed. The name indicates no one. No thing. A neuter taking up the oxygen in the room.
    In any case, Janice Daniels is a tick that must be dug out. Leaving it there until it is done is not an option.

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    1. Words fail, Leona. Frankly I'm shocked that Sue and/or Sharon would allow such and ugly and ignorant diatribe to be posted here. You know nothing; not about the city's finances, not about the library campaigns, and certainly not about me. And yet you feel totally comfortable going out and hurling invective based on my simple commentary to stop the madness and face ourselves and our own roles in this political environment.

      But no, cast aspersions based on poor reading, tell me I shouldn't even be breathing and that because I argue for a third way I am "no one" and "no thing."

      You hate Janice Daniels. I get it. So that makes it okay to refer to another human being as a "tick?" No it doesn't. It's another example of the kind of person who is threatening to take over Troy.

      You are shameless and in desperate need of therapy. You are the problem, Leona, and I should thank you for exposing yourself this way, but I'm way too creeped out by your ugliness.

      And I have very compelling reasons to remain anonymous as I have been threatened for my views. And since this site allows anonymous comments, and since the vast majority here post as such, I think it the height of arrogant boorishness to attempt to call me out on it. But you have defined yourself effectively, I'll give you that.

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    2. For the record...very few comments are censored here. We try to keep it as real as possible.

      If a comment were to border on threatening or were illegal...it wouldn't be allowed and it would be reported.

      We're all adults. Own what you say...accept the consequences.

      Carry on.

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    3. that is what I treasure about this blog (unlike other political blogs mentioned in other topics and posts) anyone is allowed to speak their peace. Anyone is allowed to agree or disagree. We get to hear all sides of issue. I think it gives all of us a broader understanding of the issues and arguments.

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