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Tuesday, August 7, 2012

Another proud, bigoted nut is a close friend of Janice Daniels'

OK, folks.
When I posted this Tea Party video a week ago that was from 2009, I had no idea the the biggest slimeball in the video just happened to be a friend of Janice Daniels', one of her defenders and a city council member in Sterling Heights. Looks like someone saw it and passed it on to Sterling Heights and then the media. And now they say it's going viral!
Holy crap!
It's on Channel 4 now!

Note that the white haired guy is Janice's friend Councilman Paul Smith. At a Troy Council meeting (he visits often) he said Daniels and his wife are close friends.
Tea Partiers criticized the amateur reporter who made this video, claiming Smith was a fake or liberal or a "setup."
He's so extreme he made those Tea Partiers sick!
Kinda makes you wonder what Janice's conversations with her friends sound like.


Sterling Heights Councilman and friend of Janice Daniels Paul Smith

Smith says in the Channel 4 piece that this is a hit job by someone who wants to hurt him because he supports Janice Daniels. I didn't know that he was her supporter and friend, but thanks for the tip!
Also, he embraces every disgusting thing he had on his signs, and then says much worse!

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  1. Ugh. You know what they say... "Birds of a feather flock together." Janice sure has some "fascinating" friends.

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  2. This is appalling. What is Paul Smith going to say to his constituents? Oh, I know, he'll say this happened before he even thought of running for office...sounds familiar ;-)

    Another thing Smith has in common with his friend Mayor Daniels besides being a first timer in office is voting down his city's budget, another obstructionist in local government.

    Let's not elect any more extremist wackos. Hate crimes don't need this kind of prompting.

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  3. I'd like to say I'm surprised there's a link, but I'm not. Didn't I see him speaking at one of our Council meetings? I seem to remember a Sterling Heights Councilman spewing a bunch of crap up at the podium...

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  4. My Dad always told me you are judged by the company you keep. David Wisz, Paul Smith, Bob Gosselin; that's the company the Mayor keeps. If Mr. Smith makes such statements publicly, imagine what he says to his friends when there's no media present.
    As a conservative I am embarrassed and can't believe other conservatives can condone this type of stuff.

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  5. Gee, I wonder if Dave Henderson will defend him, too.

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    1. Seriously? Get over yourself...

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    2. Three things about that... first, are you really putting Mayor Daniels comments on her facebook page and subsequent discussions in the same category as these signs of protest? Because if you are, thats silly.

      Second, not for a minute would I condone the signs depicted, nor would I stand shoulder to shoulder with someone bearing that sign. I am no big fan of our former governor or our current presidents policies, but they were elected by the people to do the job, and the signs depicted in the article are inflammatory and exactly the kinds of things that led to Gabby Giffords attack (IMHO). That is why I spoke out about loosely veiled threats. I take that stuff very seriously.

      Last and not least, I rode over 100 miles on my motorcycle in March a few years ago, in 35 degree weather with my son to stand in defense of the family of CPL Nyle Yates family with a group called the Patriot Guard. We were protecting the sensitivity of a funeral of a fallen soldier against a mob formed by the Westboro Baptist Church. These people, excercising their rights under the constitution, were protesting soldiers funerals yelling things like thank god for dead soldiers and just as horrible statements about the gay community using even worse (in my opinion) nomenclatures than the now famous Mayor Daniels word. Google them if you want to see horrific things and bigotry.

      You have no idea what you're talking about if you intend to sit here and throw me to the wolves each and every time someone carrys a sign you disagree with or makes a statement. Until you hear actual bigotry and hatred from my mouth keep yours shut regarding my willingness to jump on some people bashing campaign.

      Sorry for the ire, but this one got my blood churning and I don't care what some anonymous rabble rouser thinks. Quote every bit of this on KTS or to the press, I'm proud of my beliefs and who and what I stick up for.

      Dave (Henderson)

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    3. Dave,
      I'm not the anon that keeps mentioning you, and I wish they would stop. Or the moderator could make the choice not to approve and post these one-liners intended only to goad you.

      On a side note, I see that you are a supporter of the 1st Amemdment yet you also deplore people who exercise it in in horrible manners, as the Westboro church people do, or the inflammatory and scatalogical signs of this couple. Any ideas on how to curtail this?

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    4. I don't blame you for your anger Dave. That statement was offensive and should not have been posted.

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    5. Just so we're clear, no one at KTS mentioned you, it was anon, and I have always complained about these anons as well.
      Nope, not putting her comment in this class, but they are her self-proclaimed close friends and supporters. Her bad luck he had to go and say her name on the news. I didn't know anything about this guy. Didn't recognize him. Don't know him.
      Just when you do crappy things a lot you do get caught now and then.

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    6. Sharon, that is EXACTLY the point I was making yesterday when I stated that our words and actions have consequences. This man is learning that. The true test of his character will be how he handles it going forward -- though the WDIV broadcast shows that he already bungled it.

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    7. Dave Henderson,

      I commend your post and agree with the majority of it. As much as I disagree with the Westboro Baptist Church, I also agree they have the right to express themselves under the First Amendment. I don't agree with any one of their opinions, have openly condemned them, but I agree they have the right in this country to do what they do (as sick and shameful as it is).
      And I thank you for standing up to them by using your own First Amendment rights with a counter protest.

      I will only disagree with you on one point, and that is that the Mayor's comment is in fact in the same class. The only allusion on the signs to the gay community was "fags", but "queers" is in the same class and carries the same meaning. If the sign had used the word "queers" instead of "fags", do you really think there would be a difference to the gay community?? Again, they have the right to display this crap and stand by it, just as the Mayor did, but don't think the slurs used are any different. The other images / words just show them to also be openly racist, violent, and hateful in general, as well has homophobic.

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    8. Long time observerAugust 8, 2012 at 1:48 PM

      Dave Henderson, I've been watching you for a while. You seem like an ok guy. But I don't think you get it. You defended the mayor when she used slurs for gays. You defended the mayor's friend Gordon Schepke when he used a slur for Asians. Is it really that big a stretch to assume you'd defend another of the mayor's friends when he used slurs? Maybe someone shouldn't point it out, and maybe the admins here shouldn't approve the comment. But it's not out of the question to think you'd follow your own pattern.

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    9. Dave,

      I'll take each of your points the order you raised them.

      First, you asked if Smith's speech in sin the same category as Daniel's speech. Fair question.

      So how do you propose we differentiate between the two? You see, Dave, context matters. Smith made his statement during a Tea Party rally. A rally at which Doug Tietz was present and speaking! Does this raise concerns about what Tietz believes? It sure as hell should.

      Plus, we know that Daniels is a friend of Smith's. Does Daniels share any of the same views? Smith has appeared before city council, vehemently defending Daniels. Was he invited by the Mayor? What is the nature their relationship?

      Let's look at a hypothetical. You find out that your neighbor has a close friend who happens to be a white supremacist. Would you look at your neighbor differently? Of course you would. It's not guilt by association, but it sure set off a bucket-load of alarms.

      Your second point: You would not stand shoulder to shoulder with someone who says the offensive things that Smith said. But we have a Mayor and councilman who seem to. Is this problematic? You don't like what Smith said. But you stood up for Daniels after her Facebook statement. How do you, as a leader in this community, differentiate?

      Finally, you point out that you have stood up to hate speech by protesting the Westboro Baptist Church. That's commendable.

      But, I'm sorry, it also really easy.

      Standing up to those lunatics is what any sane, decent person would do. Would you stand up and defend the rights of the Muslims to have a Mosque at ground zero? Would you stand up and defend the rights of Atheists to protest prayer in public schools? Would you stand up and defend the rights of gay people to get married?

      If you would, then you must see how what Janice Daniels has said and done is simply wrong.

      I look forward to your answers.

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  6. Not only has this man spoken at OUR council meetings (with inaccurate statements and hateful rhetoric), but he was at the petition hearings. I am almost certain he spoke in Daniels's defense.

    But what is MOST disgusting is that even when confronted with the issue, he STAND BY his hate speak and signs. Sad.

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  7. The people in this crowd have a serious perception problem in addition to their anger issues. What I am learning from them one by one is that they have made poor decisions in their personal lives and instead of taking responsibility they are blaming Granholm, Obama, anybody. Maybe if they faced the world as it actually is, instead of living in the drama they create, they wouldn't have the problems they do. I wouldn't want them for neighbors, family, friends, or anywhere around my kids. They are delusional.

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    1. Agree completely...they're delusional and have a paranoia complex in many instances. What's scary is superficially they appear normal.

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  8. Good for Sterling Heights denouncing it all right away. Their statement is right on. If Janice Daniels messes up again in this way, Troy should do the same. Until she is recalled, we have to fight to protect this city's reputation.

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  9. Something on behalf of Mr. Henderson - While I don't agree with him on the Transit Center and other issues I have never heard him utter anything like this and can't imagine he approves Smith's tactics. He should not come under attack for this. I've met him a couple of times, my experience is he's approachable and listens to you (and he reads this blog, is willing to respond and identifies himself). While I wish I could change his mind on the issues, this one belongs to the Mayor and Smith, not Mr. Henderson. Let's not paint with such a broad brush.

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  10. I just watched the Ch 4 interview with Smith and am aghast that three years later he sees nothing wrong with his signs and says "at least Hitler wasn't a traitor to his country...(like these polictial leaders)".

    The Channel 4 interviewer does not bring Mayor Daniels into the story, Smith does! It's part of his defense, i.e., "you've only dug this up because I'm a supporter of Janice Daniels". Ouch, etu Brutus, from her friend, who should have just fallen on his sword and not taken her with him. Get a clue, Paul Smith, if it's on news video and you did it in public, it doesn't have to be "dug up". And even with out your mention of Janice Daniels, this is a newsworthy story because YOU are an elected official.

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  11. It looks like this blog post is what set off this whole controversy: http://sterlinghts.wordpress.com/2012/08/07/why-paul-smith-should-resign/

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  12. I agree. Dave, do yourself a favor and don't go any further with this. Hopefully, other posters won't either. Our continuing dismay at your published-here support of Daniels and Schepke is what leads to questions like the ones above (whether fair or not) because I believe, and maybe others do, that there's no such thing as a little bigotry. This guy Smith is an extremist who is going to implode, and while he may have loony-tunes supporters who say "hell yeah" when they see him defend his attitudes and his repulsive signs, the majority of people, cooler heads, recoil from this kind of crap. The Tea Party needs to understand that the fastest way to destroy themselves is by encouraging this kind of behavior.

    This is exactly why we wanted to see people like you, who may have supported Janice in the past, find it within to step away from her after her intolerance was exposed to the world at large. She is poison and you don't want it all over you.

    You've got to realize by now that Daniels, Schepke's, Clark's and Gosselin's brand of low-down is not doing you any favors. You're not going to win any arguments here about them, in any case. I would think whatever debt of friendship you might have to them has long been paid up.

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    1. Dave, a lot of people here keep coming at you because you seem like a good, rational guy who might see other points of view and be able to accept one or two of them. I think that's what many of us want in our public officials. The fact that you respond at all is encouraging. I would not expect any response here from either the Mayor or Councilman Tietz as their points of view are simple, lockstep with a far right wing ethos - thinking that provides far less regard for functional government and real business growth in Southeastern Michigan as we now operate in what has become a true global economy.
      Put yourself in the mind of a guy like Paul Smith for a moment. Should that man be in the position he now holds? How can he really help move his community forward? He may stand as a symbol of anger against a failing system or points of view he rejects but he has nothing more to offer. He has revealed his intellect, or lack of it. We can't have more foolish people in charge - but in this case that's up to the people of Sterling Heights.
      That said, I always appreciate your responses as I guarantee you, the others being criticized here would not even consider the words written on sites like this.
      I commend you for being open minded enough to do that.

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    2. Dave - We are all defined by our thoughts, words, and actions. Every moment of our lives we choose who we are and then we demonstrate it. We demonstrate it by actions and words and we also demonstrate who we are by our inaction. We can change our beliefs and we can change our behaviors as fast as we can snap our fingers. Truly Dave, you have a choice here. We all do. You will have many opportunities to choose again. We all do. I urge you to choose the path of peace, unity, love, trust, compassion, and harmony. The rhetoric of hate and supremacy and fear and bigotry and violence are escalating to dangerous levels. We see it in pointless shootings based on hate. We see it in increasing poverty. We see it in greedy disregard of the environment. We see it in religious competition. I hope with all my heart that you will choose the path of healing for Troy. We are all connected and the people that come together in support of unity, equality, and freedom of all people will prevail. WWJD? WWDD? What does your heart, your inner voice tell you?

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  13. Siding or defending a bigot is just as bad as the bigotry itself. So the fact that Dave said he has never said bigoted words is kind of hollow when he continually defends the hate speech.

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  14. Guys....I am a huge supporter of the recall effort, but I have to say I am disappointed that Dave Henderson's name is being brought up in this. The attacks on him through comments on this forum are getting carried away. I am having a hard time figuring out who the "bad guys" are when everyones comments are out of line.

    Leave Dave out of this. If you want to hold him accountable for his actions/words, then go ahead and do it...but to drag him into this issue is ridiculous.

    Dave - while I normally don't agree with some of your ideas, I at least appreciate your willingness to explain and defend them. Please try to just ignore when certain anonymou posters make a comment for the sole purpose of taking advantage of your willingness to have dialogue with your constituents through these forums.

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    1. anon 12:34... thanks for that. One of the things that seems to get lost in all of this chatter is that there are real bigots and haters in this world. We've all seen them, heard them and are appalled occasionally at their words or actions.

      I've said this before and it is worth repeating (IMHO), if you call everything bigotry and hatred, pretty soon when we're faced with actual bigotry and hatred, nobody listens to you (think the boy who cried wolf).

      Above someone asked where I define the line of bigotry and acceptable speech (paraphrased). I'm not in charge of that line anymore than I am the judge or jury on someone elses words or actions. I sincerely make every attempt to not join into these conversations yet everytime something like this pops up... someone out of simple mean spirited behavior calls on me to respond. Partly because they know I will, and partly because they truly think I'm some sort of a hater or a bigot and it will just take time to expose me for "who I really am".

      The fact is, I really don't care what the Mayor says, or Paul Smith or name your favorite politician. I care about me and the family that I raised to treat others with respect, even when respect isn't truly due them. I give firm and often sarcastic responses to some here, but I truly respect their opinion. Respect is different than agreeing with. We can all respect each other, and still think differently. I don't think I can change your mind about certain things, just as you don't think you can change mine about things. Thats o.k. We are allowed to disagree.

      I promise you can scour the internet and news articles and after you get past the great career of a Seattle Mariners player, you'll be lucky to find much more than a few cute remarks about librarians, or former mayors or a library and maybe some real estate stuff... You'll probably find more information about my grandkids than my kids are comfortable with, but thats about it. I'm a boring guy with a great family and friends and a fairly boring job. I'm a rotten golfer, I have a tatto, and my wife and I ride motorcycles. I do smoke cigars and I even drink a cocktail occasionally. Seriously, nothing to see here, so thanks for your vote of support in keeping my name out of these kinds of topics.

      Thanks for understanding

      Dave Henderson

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    2. Oops got a little long winded (as usual)

      Further, some have mentioned other names of Tea Partiers at the same gathering as Paul Smith... I've stayed away from TP protests (not my thing) and I attended a Tea Party meeting as I was running for council. The room was filled with very nice conservatives, who were willing to stick my name in their front yard because they new I was fiscally the kind of guy they liked. Could there have been a radical or two in that room? Sure there could have, just like there may have been radicals in the room when we did the league of women voters televised "debate". When you get into a situation where there are lots of people with lots of different view points and diversity you will undoubtedly be shaking the hand some day with a radical or other "unpleasant" individual. Does that mean that every tea party affiliate is a radical? No it doesn't. Am I a Tea Partier? No I'm a conservative thinking grandpa in Troy. Does the Tea Party like me? Of course they do, because I actually stand up for conservative values and vote on those principles. The Tea Party movement gained momentum because of people that ran on certain issues but once in office, acted entirely different. Again the whole tea party organization isn't evil, do some people act inappropriately in spite of organization affiliation? Of course we've seen it.

      My "error" in all this is simply not judging the individual regardless of what that individual thinks or talks about. It's not my place, sorry if you think it is, but it is nowhere in the city charter, or my personal set of standards for trying to live in society. Go pick on someone else, there are about 5 other council members that haven't poked in here to explain themselves or to throw a stone at the Mayor.

      Thanks again for understanding

      Dave Henderson

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  15. I agree. And sorry, many comments go up without my approval if people sign in a certain way.
    Comments by anonymi are not necessarily the opinions of me or Sue or the blog. How could they be? Many of them criticize us, now don't they? Virtually NOTHING is edited.
    You want freedom of speech, you say?
    ...

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    1. Sharon, I wish you would at a minimum edit the ridiculous baiting posts because they end up taking up so much valuable time and truly take everyones eye off the ball. That said, I do appreciate that you allow me to post unsensored here in response. Free speech is a wonderful thing and a two edged sword.

      Dave

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    2. That's exactly what it is, Dave. A double-edged sword...you're allowed to post uncensored, and so is everyone else who doesn't cross a line. As long as you continue to respond, I imagine the posts in response to you will continue, too.

      But just like anyone in a position of some sort of authority, we DO use discretion; there were a few posts this week exhibiting bigotry, hate-speak, epithets, etc., that were NOT approved.

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    3. I should probably rephrase that... i didn't mean edit, I meant don't post it when you know darn well invoking my name is meant only to draw me in, in defense of my honor. But you do as you please.

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    4. Seriously? You want us not to approve comments that might draw you in voluntarily to respond?

      Dave...listen carefully...YOU are responsible for your words and actions. No one else. Choose them wisely. Or don't share them. Your choice.

      (P.S. I turned myself into the authorities for saying that to you. I'm pretty sure the investigation went nowhere. You can sleep safely tonight.)

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  16. I work full-time and have two elementary-school-age kids and an ever travelling husband, but if I find time to scour the blog for things that are "meant to draw you in" I'll try. The other possibility is you can ignore the meanies and then they will leave you alone. That's what my dad taught me.
    I thought you didn't care what anyone thinks or says.
    Sigh...

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    1. To explain further, we probably only have to approve a 1/10th of the comments. I have turned down some posts, even, recently, a couple of yours, Dave, which I thought would ultimately be more embarrassing to you than you realized. However, for some reason, I no longer have to approve your messages either. Most go through automatically.

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  17. Just catching up here. Is it just me, or isn't it a no brainer to denounce this guy's actions? I mean, honestly... would anyone be critical of anyone who does? Even the Tea Party folks in his midst are denouncing him on the spot on the video. (They thought he was a plant!) His fellow councilmen and his city manager did without hesitation, especially because Mr. Smith continues to defend his actions and refuses to apologize. So seriously ... isn't this a no brainer?

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    1. Further, isn't it grossly irresponsible to defend them? To try to excuse them? To attempt to justify them?

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