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Monday, July 30, 2012

Twice-divorced Troy Mayor Janice Daniels Promotes "Troy Community Marriage Policy"

When will Janice Daniels get her nose the HELL out of our personal lives?
If you look up this plan, you will see that the point is to convince ALL churches and houses of worship in one area to refuse to marry anyone unless the bride and groom jump through the hoops these people deem necessary.
The goal is to make divorce really difficult, as it includes pushes for making "no fault divorce" illegal. That's neutral for rich people who can afford costly lawyers and long court battles, but may force poorer people to stay married because they can't afford court cases. This from Janice "Don't tread on me" Daniels. Janice "personal freedoms" Daniels.
Please write Janice Daniels and tell her she is NOT our minister. She is our mayor and we are wondering when she is going to start acting like one!
Janice stay out of our homes! Stay out of our bedrooms! Get your OWN house in order and leave us alone.
Go here to write all the council members: http://troymi.gov/Council/



So just how many people in Troy are "religious?"
http://www.bestplaces.net/religion/city/michigan/troy

19 comments:

  1. The downside of this is that people will just opt to not marry in churches or just live together. She is not going to have the effect she thinks she is going to have.

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  2. She state in on her website that this plan will help divert "hundreds of thousands of tax dollars currently being used to counter societal challenges to the improvement of our city's infrastructure." What the heck is she talking about? Where is this money being diverted to and hundreds of thousands? God help us all from the madness of this woman.

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  3. This is pure insanity

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  4. I would love to see the business case analysis that proves her claim about the savings. She just makes stuff up.

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  5. Wary and Weary in TroyJuly 31, 2012 at 10:08 AM

    I have been married over 30 years, my parents over 50, my in-laws over 60. She wants to tell MY family about marriage? HA
    I am starting to wonder if all the fiscal talk leading up to her being mayor, like DeBacker too, is a ruse to get into offices just to run a religious/social agenda. Her silence during budget sessions makes me think that money/taxes isn't really her main goal here. Beyond saying No to budget things like transpo center, garbage, library, etc, everything else she pats herself on the back for is a social/religious issue. I note that DeBackers lit is similarly focused.

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  6. The Mayor has publicly stated this marriage initiative is intended to save public money because a by-product of of strong marriages (in her opinion) is the reduction of youth crime; maybe so, maybe not. However, if she's looking reduce youth crime some very proven methods include funding the Troy Communiy Coalition in its efforts to reduce substance abuse in young people, restoring the police department's school officers, supporting Troy Youth Assistance, properly staffing the police department's juvenile division, support the Boy's and Girl's Club and increasing parks and rec programs.
    I know, I know...that won't work because they require some government funding and she's opposed to that. She would rather engage in social engineering. Please allow me to educate her. Marriage is a legal act; churches only require a marriage license because the state deems it necessary. Judges, magistrates and even the Mayor can conduct legal marriage ceremonies; the church is another matter. Many already require classes or counseling before they will marry people. One last point; is she really using her government position to pressure religous institutions into adopting her beliefs? Now there's a real separation of church and state issue.

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  7. She wants less government intrusion into our lives, then hosts this. Go figure. Please help us succeed in the recall effort. Go to www.recalljanice.com to donate. Every donation helps! Thank you!

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  8. Yes, Deb DeBacker is another tea party social/religious extremist. I urge people to get out and vote or we will have another extremist in office at the state level.

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  9. Quick, do a screen shot of Janice's Mayor of Troy facebook page. The comments asking why she is involved in our personal lives instead of Troy issues are showing up. Pretty soon the comments will be gone and those people banned from ever daring to exercise their right to free speech on her page.

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  10. Read this story about the people behind and supporting the "Community Marriage Policy". When Sam Brownback is in favor of it, you'd better be stopping it.

    "A group sharing marriage program ideas with Gov. Sam Brownback and state health officials includes one person who has said polygamy is more in line with core values than same-sex marriage." http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2011/jul/03/brownback-effort-seeks-boost-marriage-rates/

    It get worse. Much worse. Maggie Gallagher of NOM is involved with this and has been for nearly 15 years.

    "McManus said in a follow-up letter to Brownback that Kansas should prohibit no-fault divorce unless there was proof of physical abuse or adultery. A Kansas law ought to be passed, he said, allowing judges to select a “responsible spouse,” which would always be the person opposed to divorce. The statute would allow the responsible adult to receive up to 66 percent of child visitation and 100 percent of family assets in the divorce."

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  11. I would encourage all of you to go onto her Facebook page and politely request that she keep her focus on city matters. It will be interesting to see if she allows respectful disagreement to remain on the page.

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  12. Concerned CitizenAugust 1, 2012 at 1:24 PM

    This needs to be brought to the attention of the press. And they need to do a REAL old-fashioned in-depth piece on this. Soon.

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    1. I'm sure Troy Patch would beat a path to your door for the story.

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  13. She now posts that her page is not for debate.

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    1. Yes, and all the polite and respectful questions regarding this have been deleted. Hope someone goes to her office hours and finds out what her answers would have been and publicizes them. Wow, transparency is such hard work with her!

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  14. I did some googling of Community Marriage Policy and was left with the impression by the age of the hits, that even its limited popularity has waned. Most references were in the 2004-2007 time period, before the current recession.

    My extermely unprofessional conclusion is that people are too busy trying to make a living, find a job, keep their home, than to invest time in this touchy-feely stuff. In fact, I recall reading a news article a couple years ago that the divorce rate has declined due to the recession, couples are sticking it out due to the economic ramifications of divorce...too many bad marriages are lasting due to can't afford divorce. As to new marriages, it is my impression that many churches ON THEIR OWN, pursue pre-marital counseling (mine did), they don't need some outside group with questionable POLITICAL connections coordinating it. Then there's the money trail and/or ideaological reason for some spurious noble-sounding group to spring up. Community Marriage Policy should be investigated. All I've seen so far is their contact info and application page, might there be fees (speakers, seminars, instructional materials) coming along later for the community, either from the coerced churches (from church member donations) or somewhere else, heaven forbid, tax payer money? Some person or group of people could possibly be trying to make a buck for themselves by creating an artificial appearance of urgent need and benefit when none exists.

    This is definitely NOT something Daniels should be endorsing as MAYOR. Private citizen, OK. She should at least make that clear on her FB page. I think the City of Troy should not be involved in Janice Daniels's personal growth plan.

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  15. Please read the links below. This is a faith/religious based group and has NO business being promoted by the City of Troy or the Mayor of Troy. This type of initiative is for faith organizations should their congregations agree to support.
    Tell the Mayor that you do NOT want the City of Troy involved with this. In another time in history this would be the guy on the side of a wagon in town selling snake oil to the crowd.
    Great for them, bad for Troy. The mayor had better not utilize one cent of taxpayer money on this.

    http://www.marriagesavers.org/sitems/index.htm
    http://www.communitymarriagepolicy.org/sitecmp/index.htm

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  16. What's ironic is Marriage Savers received undisclosed Federal funding, anathema you would think to Tea Partiers and Libertarians.

    Fron Wikipedia:

    "On January 28, 2005, it was discovered that McManus was one of three media figures to accept money from the George W. Bush administration for targeted public endorsements of government policy.[citation needed]

    McManus was the third person to be implicated in an article by Tom Hamburger of The Los Angeles Times. It was revealed that McManus, who is a self-described "marriage advocate", was paid through a subcontractor of the Department of Health and Human Services to endorse a Bush-approved initiative defining marriage as strictly between a man and a woman. The payments were said to be $4,000 plus travel expenses, with an additional $49,000 paid to his organization, "Marriage Savers". McManus did not disclose this payment to his readers."

    So "Marriage Savers" is looking for more cash cows via our churches to support their special interet agenda, which includes changes to our divorce laws. I am surprised that Janice Daniels would chose this as her good works project given her exit from two, you would assume, bad marriages. Why would she want to make it more difficult and costly for anyone else?

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  17. I already know plenty of ppl where that is just such the case...they stay 'separated' so they won't have to deal with paying the court and lawyer fees. Makes for a much messier situation for all involved.

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