Tuesday, June 12, 2012

For Deb DeBacker...

FYI...


12 comments:

  1. Proverbs 22:6

    Train up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it.

    It is a fine line drawn between what and how. I agree with both ideas, sadly many forget about the second one, and allow someone else to teach their child the "whats" in life. Someone elses whats often do not meld with your own. Your child, your responsibility, IMHO

    Dave

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    1. "Train up a child in the way he should go"

      There is a notorious book with the title To Train Up A Child.

      There are many favorable reviews, and many negative reviews. Some of the negative reviews reference children beaten to death by parents following the philosophies and techniques espoused by the book.

      Hanna Williams beaten and starved to death by her parents at 13 years. The book seized from the parents.

      Lydia Schatz beaten to death at age 7. The techniques linked to the book.

      More on Hanna Williams here.

      More on Lydia Schatz and her surviving sister Zariah Schatz here.

      CNN covered this book and the philosophy behind it, and the deaths and injuries associated with it.

      I assume you see a bright line between the concept of teaching a child and using a piece of plastic pipe to teach a child. What about switching babies as young as six months; as advocated by the followers of this Proverb?

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    2. You know of course, Dave, that I'm responding to Deb DeBacker's idea that if you send your kids to an international Baccalaureate school you are not a patriot, because the IB schools don't teach children that capitalism is the only way. Our Founding Fathers believed you draw the best from all societies. But in Troy, whether it's the library, schools, or National Day of Prayer, xenophobia leads the way with closed-minded goofs such as Janice Daniels and Deb DeBacker - it's their way or the highway.

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    3. Anon... I don't know what book you're referring to, my post was from proverbs (in the bible). And yes Proverbs even promotes corporal punishment. I'm one of those evil parents that used spanking as a last resort tool, my parents used that method on me, and their parents before them on them. I'm not getting into a debate over whether a parent should or shouldn't spank a child, it's their right and responsibility to raise a good child. Absolutely there are some whack jobs that have and always will completely defy reason quoting whatever source they so choose. That is sad and should be prevented if possible.

      Sharon, I know why you posted this. The photo doesn't tell the whole story. As usual, somewhere in the middle is the truth... we will all find ours wherever it lies on the scale.

      Dave

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    4. Exactly! It's the parents' responsibility to "train up their child". Not Deb DeBacker's. And yet, she wants to insert herself in MY family's life. That is unacceptable and, frankly, abhorrent to me.

      In HER own words, in HER own press release, she says, "DeBacker pledges to bring her conservative values to Lansing, restore the economy, reduce wasteful spending and restore families." Don't believe me, read the press release in full on the Troy Patch, http://troy.patch.com/articles/troy-s-deborah-debacker-to-run-for-state-representative

      In response to Deb's press release....Deb, my family doesn't need to be restored and I certainly don't want you legislating how my family should behave. Because if you think that critical thinking and the IA schools are harmful to society, let me tell you that you are completely off the mark. But what do I (and my Jesuit-based education) know?

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    5. Jill, Thats why we have elections. If you don't want her conservative view point in office, don't vote for her. There is no shortage of liberal minds running against her. I wouldn't want them representing me... so we have that...

      Dave

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    6. The idea that iB programs teach unAmericanism is not conservative. It is something else entirely. It flies in the face of reason. Opposing this idea does not make one a liberal.

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  2. Concerned CitizensJune 13, 2012 at 5:47 PM

    Are you against teachers? Mentors? Clergy? Youth leaders? Scout leaders? First bosses (sometimes)? Neighbors? Relatives? Coaches?
    These are the ways we become whole people. I learned many wonderful things from the many people that touched my life, aside and away from my parents. I love my parents, but I could not and did not form my entire life vision from them. Nor would they want me to.
    I hope my children take lessons from everywhere they go and from everyone they meet. Even lessons that help them to confirm that they don't agree. They are not automatons meant to regurgitate their parents beliefs. I am a very involved and responsible parent, but I want to rear independent thinkers and adults that have a broad world view. My child, their life and ultimately their responsibility. IMHO

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    1. Wow. So well said. Thank you.

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    2. I agree, I simply posted what I did because the photo above doesn't tell the whole story. I absolutely believe a child should be taught what to think...as well as how to think. Outside forces will form their minds soon enough, but the groundwork should be laid, and firmly, by the parents. I was watching an episode of modern family the other night when one of the characters was trying to teach their child to not do something, but refused to use the word no. When his hand became stuck in the garbage disposal and the kid went for the switch, guess what word was suddenly o.k. to use. There is a time and a place for instruction and forced obedience. I'm sure none of you were ever told by a parent, because I said so... I swore I'd never duplicate that with my kids, but in fact I polished that phrase off once in a great while.

      Dave

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  3. Of course a strong moral compass is key. But if they don't learn how to discern and think for themselves, our society can not be successful. Unfortunately, many in today's world do not take the time to discern. Some flood themselves with MSNBC. Others with Fox. True discernment comes from taking in multiple perspectives, learning the source of their information and determining your own opinion. Intellectual/critical thinking/big picture skills are critical.

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  4. Proberbs 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it.

    Too bad Janice's parents didn't take this scripture to heart. Unless of course they wanted to raise a homophobic, narrow minded bigot. If so, mission accomplished.

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