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Sunday, March 4, 2012

Dave Henderson honors Stephen Colbert by impersonating him

Continuing in the drumbeat of Santorum, who thinks Obama is a snob for wanting children to be college educated or trained for specific jobs, and Councilman Tietz saying that education and pertinent background are NOT important for those serving on the extremely important Planning Commission, Dave Henderson tells his breathless fans that he doesn't need to know anything about local government, that he'll lead by his "gut.


 Now, just because he disagrees with this, doesn't mean he can't go and EDUCATE HIMSELF. 
But why would any self-respecting "raw conservatism" guy do such a thing? Education is for sissies...








Tietz, Santorum and Henderson remind me a little of how Cambodia dealt with their educated people (couldn't have any smart people around when they were "remaking society"), but an easier to digest reference is Stephen Colbert and his spoof of a Henderson/Tietz-style, proud-to-be-raw conservative.
Please watch this video if you haven't seen it before, so you know who we're dealing with in Troy today.


29 comments:

  1. I hope as Mr. Henderson gets further into his term he will allow his raw gut conservatism to be informed by knowledge. There are times when taxes do need to be raised to maintain services. I commend those public officials that have the courage and the skills to communicate that to the electorate.

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  2. Personally, I think the recall efforts should include Henderson and Tietz. They were dumb enough to vote against a huge investment in the community they serve, just like Janice. Why should they get a pass?

    Oh, and Dave, your depending on your gut instead of facts is precisely the kind of idiotic decision-making process that defines everyone you are allied with. What is the problem you have with actually gathering facts and weighing pros and cons from experts? What, is it too demanding to think instead of reacting? Why did you bother to run for office if you can't be bothered with actually using your brain instead of instinct?

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  3. CM Henderson seems to be reveling in his ignorance in how city governments work. My gut (and my K-12, undergraduate, and graduate education) tells me that it is gross negligence on his part to admit he doesn't know anything about city government and then refuse to take steps to learn more.

    I guess we should tell our kids that they don't need to go to school because it's perfectly acceptable to hold a position of responsibility and make decisions just based on what their gut is telling them.

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    1. What is even more bothersome is that given the full spectrum of information, the wealth of training subjects and topics, and the evidence of overwhelming GOOD that the MML does...Henderson chooses one minute piece of information to hold up as the sum total of knowledge he has gleaned on the MML.

      Just when you think he won't say anything else so outrageous...there he goes again.

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  4. Henderson is just giving voters more reasons to not elect him again. He thinks he can remain in this position, but voters will decide, and my gut tells me he will be out the door.

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  5. Used to be, being considered ignorant or stupid was a bad thing, especially for a politician. Apparently, Dave Henderson considers it a badge of honor to disregard facts and research, where the rest of us, his constituents, see it simply as him (and his cohorts Janice and Doug) being too intellectually lazy to exercise due diligence and actually learn about and understand an issue.

    Here in Troy, we are blessed with two new councilman and a mayor who's decision-making on issues seems to be based on a "If I do it or use it, it's good, if I don't, get rid of it" mentality (I never go to the library, so I don't care if it's packed all day long, let 'em use Kindles, for example.)

    Why are we so lucky to have these morons on our council, running our city into the ground? Oh yeah, now I remember...hardly anyone voted.

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  6. I think the next time he has surgery or some other major event in his life, he should get someone who uses their gut instinct instead of their experience and education. How ridiculous, can anyone be. He lives in a very educated community and scoffs at education.

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    1. The Teanderthal's work is never done. After cutting government to the point where it can be drowned in the bathtub, and then doing so, lots of other things will need doing.

      They will be sure that the house they live in does not follow any of those durned new fangled government regulations.

      Just get us back to those good old days! Some of the things BANNED BY REGULATIONS that can be brought back:

      Flammable pajamas.

      Old fashioned ungrounded electrical wiring.

      Flammable upholstery and bedding and cigarettes that do not self extinguish.

      In home incinerators so that everyone can get rid of their garbage and manufacture toxic smoke and ashes at home.

      Lawn darts.

      List of things to get rid of includes:

      Those pesky smoke and fire detectors that claim to protect life and property.

      Seatbelts in cars which are proven to keep you from being thrown clear to safety.

      Safety glass in windows, doors and shower doors. Costs far too much to replace when broken. Used in cars too!

      ZOMG! Surge protectors on their computerz! Not in the constitution either!

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  7. I thought I should at least defend my honor here. First I didn't scoff education, I scoffed having the MML try to spoon feed me ways to serve up a tax hike to you because after all, 80% of the other communities in Michigan have approved them. If you read the post, I also stated that I'm not opposed to attending seminars from the MML, just not this particular one.

    As for surgery in the future, I'm grateful there are people around that have studied and perfected their craft, believe me. But my doctor couldn't fix my car if I paid him a million dollars, yet people that host this board completely discount the trade school education I earned. Not to mention the OJT I have acquired in the course of 34 years in business. Heck, I even applied for jobs and became employed by companies without a degree, and earned a pretty good living. Then I was able to maintain employment, not because I'm a dummy either.

    My daughter has her masters, and I paid for it... not the government, not my parents, I did. I suppose only a moron would do that, but I value an education as much as the next guy, my life just never took me that direction, and a piece of paper (other than my state licenses) wasn't a requirement for living a successful life for me. Keep in mind as well, they don't just give you a real estate license, or allow you to sell franchises without some degree of training, and ongoing education. I comply.

    No I can't dissect an organ, or filet a brain, but that's not the field I had any desire to pursue. I pursued the one I enjoy and it just happened to not have a 4 year degree as a requirement, and it led me from busting my knuckles on 4 stroke engines to selling real estate on a very unlikely and unusual path. It doesn't mean I'm any more or less intelligent than the next person.

    I was told by someone that attended many of the MML training seminars that she didn't have proof there was a need for a tax increase. I know how to read a budget (that silly OJT allowed for that), I'll never give that answer to a constituent.

    Dave

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    1. Dave Henderson,

      Did your daughter attend a public school at any time during her education? If so, then the government certainly helped pay for it.

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  8. One of the reasons I was so happy to publish your words was because it gives me yet another opportunity to point out how truly misleading you are when you continue to quote "someone that attending many of the MML training seminars."

    I went to that person after hearing you stand by your assertion that you got involved in city affairs because of that quote. I asked her for clarification on what she said. Here it is:

    "The quote from which Dave Henderson derives his soundbite is that we didn’t have irrefutable proof of the need for a tax increase that would satisfy everyone. To quote from the email I sent to him, “I. . .believe the necessity of a millage increase if we continue to offer a reasonable level of service and amenities. . .I may believe it because I have gone through the budget process trying to prove the city manager wrong.” The email also talked about the difference in opinions of essential vs. non-essential services. Since that email, I have repeatedly said that 80,000 people will have 80,000 ways to balance the budget. Therefore, we probably could never get universally acceptable “irrefutable proof” of anything—particularly without trust of elected council and staff and with people generally and aggressively feeding a distrust, instead of trust."

    Your whole premise for getting involved in city issues is that you misunderstood something that was said to you. Do you not see that? You're either completely missing that point...or you are purposefully and heinously misrepresenting one of the most respected city leaders we've had in the history of our city.

    I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt. But past experience tells me to exercise caution before I do that.

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  9. "Heinously misrepresenting"?... I believe thats what the blog we are discussing right now essentially has done to me. Why not FOIA said council persons email to me (roughly October to December 2009), I know you know the process for that. Then print it in its full glory so we can discuss it, rather than the explanation above.

    Funny how you allow some the opportunity to "clarify their position", but when it comes to others, "they're just back peddling" or worse yet, flat out lying.

    I don't care if you apply certain rules to me, but when those rules are applied conveniently for your cause, you are doing exactly the same thing you accuse "the other team" of doing. Along those lines, when does the recall for old Dave come out? I voted no as well on the transit center. Is that not the top of the charts for hypocrisy? Or doesn't that matter because "it's for the greater good" (the recall of Mayor Daniels that is). I know the answer to that, so no need to respond.

    Dave

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  10. This article made me think of the voters (and voters who did not vote) of Troy. It has begun to truly sink in what they have done by their actions and inaction. The fact that the current mayor apparently supports Rick Santorum and many of his ideas makes it even more topical.


    WASHINGTON—As Rick Santorum has emerged to become Mitt Romney's leading opponent for the Republican presidential nomination, the American electorate said Monday it had slowly begun to realize that the former Pennsylvania senator sincerely believes every deranged word that exits his mouth.

    Uneasy voters told reporters it was becoming more and more evident that comments from Santorum defending sodomy laws as acceptable restrictions on "wants and passions" and characterizing pregnancy occurring through rape as a "gift" from God were not politically calculated but were, in fact, spoken out of sincere, startling conviction.

    "I honestly thought he was just playing up to the far-right voters, because that's what Republicans are supposed to do in the primaries," said Grand Rapids, MI resident Dan Banks, who explained he had dismissed as manipulative campaign rhetoric Santorum's assertion that President Obama would send Christians to the guillotine. "But now it's dawning on me that this guy means it, all of it. Every single thing he says is an accurate depiction of how he sees the world."

    "So, when he said that Satan was currently attacking the United States, he meant exactly that," added Banks. "Satan, the devil himself, is attacking the United States. Rick Santorum believes this is a real thing that is actually happening. I…wow. Just wow."


    Read the rest:
    www.theonion.com/articles/voters-slowly-realizing-santorum-believes-every-de,27518/

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  11. Dave-
    I appreciate your time and words expressed here. But I would think you would take advantage of the chance to learn how the MML works - know thy enemy (or whatever you'd call it).... I really don't have a problem with your skepticism. But, more information is always good. And that would be good for all of us if you were to gather more of it, and it should be useful for you to reinforce your positions regarding how government should work.

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  12. Dave, how is using your own words misrepresenting you? You have always been given the opportunity to defend yourself here, and you make liberal use of that opportunity.

    You made a statement repeatedly, I went to the source and printed what you were told. Are you now calling the source a liar? Please clarify.

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    1. And Sue, I do appreciate that you publish my responses. I just wish I didn't have to be so vigilant in seeing what the spin is.

      Dave

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  13. DAve, no one is questioning your past education levels or degrees or lack thereof. You're a self-made guy...great, I respect that.

    What I don't respect is decision-making by instinct with no research into what the facts are. This is the problem with you, Janice, TCU, et al. You don't do your homework. It's like you live in an echo chamber, speaking only to people you know who think exactly like you. Did you ever sit down and ask Cathy Russ any questions about library usage and budgets before making any decisions about that facility? Did you ever sit down and talk to John Szerlag about the budget before voting on any issue before council or even running on an issue relating to it? Ideology, simple beliefs, don't work when many parties with vested interests are involved. People have stakes in things that matter, and governing means compromising so groups don't start working against you. Lesson number one. How hard is that to understand?

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    1. One other note... it's just interesting that when you guys start talking about compromise, its us conservative belt tighteners that are unreasonable. Where was that compromise when the city asked for a 1.9 millage hike? Remember that is the max the city can ask for... they didn't come back when the voices got loud and say well how about 1 mil and we'll make some cuts. Of course we didn't call them morons and idiots either (or stupid, I don't want to exclude Sharon, it's her blog).

      The cuts and the reduced millage proposal was only offered as a compromise by voting force. It only happened when the people revolted and turned down 2 out of 3 tax attempts. I suppose that tactic is addressed in the clinic I'm skipping. All I was asking our council for was a legitimate attempt at explaining how much, and all I got was "I don't have irrefutable proof"... not good enough for me. And I didn't join forces with TCU or anyone else initially until my hackles got raised by sloppy governing. I didn't agree with many of the tactics, but they were organized, and have a lot of conservatives on their side. I'll be amazed, truly, if the recall gets traction.

      Dave

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  14. Sue, you posted all but one segment, the one just prior to the I'm not attending bit. That was meant for this very specific course on how to sell the public a tax hike. And then of course you spun it your way. I'm an uneducated boob that won't take MML classes, when I said exactly the opposite of that. I was just flabbergasted about the blatant disregard for the voting public in the "ad" I received from the MML.

    Anonymous, I respect your suggestion. Maybe it is a good course to take to build awareness. I'll rethink that. It is a good thing to stay a few steps ahead of the enemy :0)

    And Faber Grad... Maybe it's your use of the word Moron thats so distasteful. I think the hypocrisy of holding JD to such high vocabulary standards, then calling someone a moron is sort of a shame. One of the presenters just before Sue last night sent me an email a couple months ago and he literally called me an idiot. Is that how we get through difficult issues these days? I have been known to be very critical of our city government and management in the past, and not one time did I use that kind of language toward anyone of them. Yet, people associated with TRUST and this blog can't seem to hold a civil conversation with a "self made guy" who doesn't happen to be a moron or an idiot (ask my grandkids), without childish name calling.

    For your information, I read every page of the 8" stack of materials on the train station before election and after to try to find a reason to love the project. For every idea the city threw our way supporting the virtues, I found an equal amount of negative information. I don't agree with the vessel she was using for the counterpoint on the transit center, but I agree with the Mayor, we need to see the ups and downs of all projects going forward. We were spoon fed the virtues and absolutely not one time did I hear any of the downside from the previous council or management.

    As for Cathy Russ I did sit down with her at a public session before the August vote. She showed us all the new budget that day. When I was first elected, did you know there was over $ 350,000 in unallocated budget reserves for just the library when we voted to keep it open 6 days, keeping it open 7 was only going to cost around $ 340,000/year. I raised that idea to council, but it went largely unrecognized. I've since learned to be much more vocal. The money was there to do 7 days with a re-evaluation this April when we look at the budget again. And as I've been telling Sue for months, we have bottomed out in the residential real estate market, and in fact are seeing increases in value now. This is going to be a very upbeat budget session this spring.

    Another side note... John & I speak frequently and understand each other very well. He has provided me at every turn any and all information I've asked for to get immersed in this project this spring. I didn't run for council because I thought it would be cool. I also am the only new council member that has visited every department and spent as much time as it took to familiarize myself with operations... mostly done before Christmas, but the library and golf course took until the first of the year. I laid off Cathy knowing being a tour guide for me should be the last thing she had to deal with while ramping up to Saturday service.

    Dave

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  15. It's too late tonight to go through each point of yours that needs a response...so I'll just say one thing right now.

    You've never been great at recognizing that at the bottom of every post, the author is mentioned. Start noticing and address your concerns to the author.

    Thank you.

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  16. This is kind of what I'm talking about. When you run out of arguments, your first impulse is to prove your intellectual superiority over someone. I know it's difficult for you to imagine I might be quick enough to notice that, and simply find it easier to address all concerns in as few posts as I can. That said, I'll try to be more considerate of your blogs individual postings ongoing.

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    1. I can assure you I have not yet run out of ways to counter your rhetoric. What I ran out of was time and desire to justify your diatribes. I do feel it is important for you to respond properly to each author, however, as we are all unique individuals with our own viewpoints. Merely using her name instead of referring to me is fine and does not require multiple postings.

      Thank you for your attention to that going forward.

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  17. In fairness, Dave, I wrote the original post. Haven't had time to chime in, as I'm working and busy talking to journalism classes about our successful political blog.
    Yes, you did say you might attend other sessions. However, two points:
    1. The secret information that you shared with your fans is not secret. It's viewable for everyone on the Web.
    2. Seems to me you would want to learn more about the extremely serious job you have taken on and go to all the meetings. But as you imply, you know more than they do, so you won't bother. Maybe you could have the guts to go and challenge their assertions. I suppose it's better you don't. I've heard Janice made enough of a fool of herself at the session to embarrass Troy for all three of you.
    But try to remember you are a SERVANT of the people. You are supposed to do what is best for Troy and by hiding your head in the sand, you are not likely to discover what the best is...

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    1. Sharon (is this better Sue?)... I realize it's public, I unlocked it a couple weeks ago after having a compelling talk with Roy Williams. As for the class I didn't attend last weekend with CM Campbell and the Mayor... many conflicts, I'll deal with that one at a later date. I understand there are others on council that have never taken a class. Kind of a mixed bag. As for the how to sell a tax hike course... If there was one titled, "how to do more with less"... I'd have signed up for that already.

      In a nutshell, and trust me this is my last effort here, you here believe it's o.k. for public officials to be trained on the art of "selling tax hikes", I do not. It's o.k. to disagree, we do that from time to time, the entire city will never agree on any given topic 100%. We are people with minds and free will. Where we have huge issues (me with you and others posting here) is how you go about expressing those differences. When you stoop to telling someone they are stupid, an idiot, or a moron for having an opinion, you have reached the lowest depth in a pit of distastefulness.

      I only got involved here because thats where your followers took this. Go ahead talk amongst yourselves, but try to be nice.

      Dave

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    2. I'm glad someone else pointed out that if your children went to public schools or universities, tax money most definitely paid for it.
      I only discuss you here because you won't allow me to speak on any of your other pages. I understand why.
      To believe that 100% of taxes and tax increases are bad is simply anti-intellectual.
      To refuse to learn more is anti-intellectual.
      The problem is not that you are NOT an intellectual, it's that you often present yourself as scoffing at learning, education, libraries, community and other people's POVs. I feel that you and Janice and Doug believe you know it all and have nothing to learn from anyone. To those of us who disagree with most of your ideology, that is frightening.
      And no amount of arguing and charm will change that.
      You have often written things on this blog (like everyone can get a Kindle instead of having a library) that are silly or untrue, and then, when called on it, you claim you were speaking symbolically or joking or some such nonsense.
      You wrote last summer that the transit center money could have paid for three years of the library. This was weeks before the election and you proved you had no idea what you were talking about.
      Anti-learning, anti-FACT powerful people are dangerous.
      Simple.

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  18. Concerned CitizenMarch 7, 2012 at 9:45 AM

    Spin, spin, spin. That is the MO of the group that claims to be so fiscally smart. It is unbelievable to me that Mr. Henderson thinks that by going to 1 public forum and sitting with Cathy Russ he is all knowing. Surprising since he insulted her by telling her he could put his hair in a bun and do her job. Or that people could go outside Panera and get WiFi. Trying to look like the sainted guy that doesn't name call is pretty hollow. As for the Transit Center, he read the 8" stack of materials. So what. Did you take the time to open your mind and speak to the many, many people involved for the past 10 years? Transportation authorities? Or did you just look at and speak to the people that would support your pre-set opinion? That seems to be the type of "research" you and your supporters do. It is not in any way an open-minded, scholarly study of the topic. Find the talking points to spin in your direction to meet your view. It is like the pharma company that continues to sell their drugs all the while knowing that they are using only the studies that fall into the range of their end game. And as someone that has been elected to represent the citizenry, making decisions based on only your "gut" makes my stomach turn.

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  19. Just the facts pleaseMarch 7, 2012 at 11:05 AM

    These self described "fiscal conservatives" want nothing more than to spend city reserves of any type. Do they not know that reserves=savings=rainy day funds=emergency fund? They have stood and howled at the moon about the money that is "there." The reserves? Really, that is how you would run a business? Not keeping adequate reserves for down times, like the ones predicted by every economic indicator in Oakland County and beyond. Surely you have a savings account just in case of job loss or repairs to your home or some unforeseen problem. This is what is so insidious about the ideology of this group. They are all talk with no practicality. Let's not raise any taxes to cover our essential services, ever. Let's cut our city workforce to next to nothing and practically part-time (so we can't get anyone to come work here or we are now not proactive leaders). Let's spend our reserves for the now, because it is politically expedient, leaving no emergency fund. Let's not get the advice and counsel of other municipalities or experts on (name topic) because our gut is enough and we know better. Then when the city is completely on the ropes, they will move on to the next level of the political game they are playing and leave the city a mess for someone else to clean up.
    As for the library, news flash Mr. Henderson, the library staff had been cut by almost 50%. No matter what amount of reserves the library may have had there was no staff to operate the library for an extra day. That was told again and again to you and the citizens of Troy. Another example of spinning the information to shore up your single vision viewpoint and peddle your lack of facts.

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  20. Tell you what Dave, I'll apologize for my moron comment but instead reiterate my accusation of you being intellectually lazy, unwilling to do due diligence comment and toss in morally dishonest, just for grins. Why, you might ask? See all of the above. Further, let's tally up some other issues, such as all the lies spread by your allies at TCU which we can only assume you go along with, since you've never separated yourself from them (the ends justify the means, right?) You don't govern on the margins, raiding emergency funds for daily operations, or turn down federal money for city-beneficial projects knowing full well refusing it will do nothing to decrease the deficit, etc. Then there's the matter of folks like David Wisz, our favorite crazy bigot, whom you did nothing to repudiate...Man, this stuff is all cumulative. And in three month's time, we've accumulated nothing but shame and bad publicity for our city.

    You really don't think the recall will gain any traction? Guess we'll see. Personally, everyone I run into wants JD out, and I meet a lot of folks in this town whom I never talked politics with before. You're just lucky you're flying somewhat under the radar.

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    1. Apology accepted I can appreciate insults using appropriate language. I'll just respond this way. If you go back and watch the first meeting we had on the transit center, I raised several issues I had with the transit center, it was by no means an exhaustive list, but at the council table, it's inappropriate to be a microphone hog. Not one of my reasons was sending money back to the feds. That wasn't my axe to grind, and still isn't. Who is David Wisz? I didn't know him before, I don't know him now, I didn't object because I wanted to hear all sides, which were clearly not presented by previous council or management. "Experts" from everywhere came to the podium to talk about things they knew nothing about, why was he so different? Because JD knew him, and he had some unsavory commentary on his facebook page. Does that mean the research he did is disqualified? I'm no fan of inappropriate conversation publicly (which is the only reason I jumped into this fray), but other than sticking up for myself, I choose to let others show their true colors if they feel thats what they want to do. None of my business. If someone wants to be a jerk, be a jerk, just don't do it in front of me or to me and my family.

      Dave

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