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Sunday, February 27, 2011

Are Troy taxes outrageous? No.

A history of the City millage rate in Troy (per the assessor's office). As can be seen, in tough times, the rate has occasionally gone up, and in good times the rate has dropped (16 times since 1973). Traditionally Troy residents and the City Council have done what was needed to protect our quality of life, and yet reduced the burden when it was not needed.
The problem now is that our millage rate was capped at 9.28 arbitrarily in 2008, which means in times of trouble, oh, say, like a recession, our council can't raise the rate temporarily to save services we need, like say, the library? 
So who put this tax cap on the ballot? Howrylak/TCU/Gosselin/Kempen et al. The engineers of the destruction of Troy.
Who voted yes for it? The people of Troy.
The thing the people of Troy didn't know was that whenever Troy people had the chance to vote on a millage, the same characters listed above would lie and cheat to defeat the vote.
Won't the people of Troy soon realize that when they said there was money for the library, they were WRONG and THAT is why we are losing the library?


  1. Millage rate vs. 'what you pay'. Two different things, apples and oranges. They are not the same. And I know you can point to 'averages' between houses in neighboring communities in the same value bracket, but I would contend that is still not the same comparison. How many 300K homes are in Hazel Park?

  2. That's just silly. How are we ever to compare. The key point is that the 2 cities that have a lower millage rate than ours--Bloomfield Hill and Orchard Lake--don't have libraries EITHER.
    Because they can't afford libraries. And now, neither can we.
    What kind of Troy do you want, that's the real question.

  3. And by the way, Hazel Park has a library.

  4. Anonymous,

    But even if we compare "what you pay", it's obvious there has been a serious reduction in revenue for the city, thus forcing the closing of the library. My city property taxes have gone from $1197.67 in 2007 to an estimated $918.57 in 2011. That's a difference of $279.10 in just four years. If Troy voters had approved the 1.9 mill hike, my tax bill in 2011 would be increased by $183.52, which is still less than my 2007 taxes! The library only millage that also failed would have only cost me $95.50, still leaving me a net city property tax reduction.

    Furthermore, when you take into account all the other property tax reductions due to falling property values, my 2011 estimated property tax bill is over $1,000 less than 2007.

    Lastly, it is proper to compare property tax rates (millages) with equivalent communities. I would suggest that Rochester Hills is an equivalent community. Their city property tax rate is 9.0706 mills which is lower than ours. But they don't pick up the trash in Rochester Hills! If they did, add another 0.98 mills and their city property tax rate would be about 10.05.

    I would also suggest that Sterling Heights is another equivalent community. They raised their city property tax rate by 1.9 mills last year. They're now at 12.68 mills.

    The point is, as always, you get what you pay for. Troy now has a budget tax rate and we're getting budget services (no library, no nature center, poorer snow plowing, etc.). If that's what you want, then keep supporting the anti-tax folks. They promised that a tax rate hike wasn't needed to keep the libary open and they were wrong.

  5. Dear Anonymous,
    Millage rate is the only fair way to compare. Regardless of the value of your home, your fair share is the millage rate. If one can affort a 300,000+ home, I would think one would be able to affort the taxes that go along with it. When purchasing a home, you do know what the taxes are and that you are responsible for paying them, right??. IF we increase the millage rate lets say 1 mil and the $300K home know owes $100 more dollars, and the $100K home owes $30 more dollars the pain is the same for both families. The lower value house is occupied by someone who earns and lives on a lot less income. And you know what, it's those lower income folks who struggle the hardest and who most want to keep our library!.

  6. As far as I'm concerned, using the logic that because someone with a higher valued home pays more taxes than someone with a lower valued home means you can't compare mill rates means only one thing: you're bitter.

  7. When it's convenient for you to use dollars to defend your position, you use it, case in point 'it's not a 29% increase in what you pay in taxes! (but it was a 29% increase in the millage rate now wasn't it)? LOL Whatever works for ya.

  8. 29%?
    I didn't argue about this.
    The basic clever flaw of the 29% routine was uninformed voters that 29% meant an increase of their entire tax bill.
    But no, it was 29% of a fraction of the city bill.
    The fact that a huge number of Troy people misunderstood this fact was just icing on the cake to the anti-taxers.

  9. Oh, just made OUR point.

    Let's compare: a 29% increase of your actual operating millage responsibility in DOLLARS vs. what the anti-taxers wanted the public to think 29% meant in DOLLARS.

    You wanna compare THOSE numbers?

    How about percentages? What % increase will you ACTUALLY see vs. what the anti-taxers want you to THINK you'll see.

    You wanna compare THOSE numbers?

    Unless all anti-taxers are willing to give BOTH sides of the story...their ONE side means nothing.

  10. One side means nothing eh? Couldn't you say the same for what you are representing. AGAIN may I point out, you use dollars when it's convenient, and millage rates when it's convenient interchangeably. Both sides on the tax issue includes the millage rate, AND what you pay.

  11. I'll state my simple case again.
    1. Our millage rate is terribly, arbitrarily low.
    2. The city council cannot raise the millage rate, because it is capped.
    3. The purpose of capping the rate, TCU said, was to give the people the right to decide on tax increases -- cool
    4. TCU lies and cheats in millage elections to guarantee tax rates do not go up.
    5. With property values in free fall, thus city revenues in free fall, and state revenue sharing in free fall, Troy is screwed.
    6. Thanks TCU!

  12. I am a firm believer in learning new things. Everyday. By learning new things, whether they be about a country or the arts or scientific explanation I am inspired to keep the process going.
    Alas, the only thing I learned is today the name Anonymous is a very popular name. I never knew people gave this to newborn babies.
    Or, do they have another name but are actually cowardice? If not, then may I suggest the name Alias. At least it would be different and you could still be hidden and perhaps perceived as bashful. I am just saying it is good to keep learning, no matter how old one is.